500EFI's vs 496 HO
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Re: 500EFI's vs 496 HO
Originally Posted by Rippem
as far as the 500EFI's being free of issues tell me how many are making 350-400 hours without at least top-end rebuilds.
Knowing what I know now, I would have easily made 500 hours.
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Originally Posted by Dock Holiday
Unless you abuse it, don't service it, or just get unlucky it will last a lot longer then 300 hours.
I'm glad to hear you and the couple people you've mentioned have had good luck, and the Merc propaganda that supports a VERY profitable "blue" program for both Merc and the boat builders they are in bed with has had it's desired effect.
I'm not being a dik to you Dock, I'm just trying to contribute to everyone seeing the big picture, as you are, when asked about values. Cruise the boats for sale and get some stats together of how many have been opened and at what hours. 90% of owners aren't opening them up because they "want to", but rather because they "have to"...
How's your oil consumption?
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Did you know that Merc use to build the engine for GM that went into the Corvette?
This assembly program was overseen with a microscope beyond any marine motor to that date.
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Re: 500EFI's vs 496 HO
Originally Posted by Rippem
ok then lets get back to the original concern...buying used and used values. How do you know how they've been treated and maintained? Without the sophisticated electronics
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I'm glad to hear you and the couple people you've mentioned have had good luck, and the Merc propaganda that supports a VERY profitable "blue" program for both Merc and the boat builders they are in bed with has had it's desired effect.
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I'm not being a dik to you Dock,
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Cruise the boats for sale and get some stats together of how many have been opened and at what hours. 90% of owners aren't opening them up because they "want to", but rather because they "have to"...
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How's your oil consumption?
By the way my 500's dynoed at 580 HP at 5300 RPM with "ALL" the accessories on the engines.
I do have a concern with oil temps since we pumped them up. Most here on OSO say they would like to have my temps, but they are 20 to 30 degrees hotting then stock and I plan to add some new coolers this winter.
Thanks for your input.
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As far as oil consumption goes, the 502 in all forms from Mercruiser comes with low tension rings. Those low tension rings promote, for lack of a better term, oil consumption. They also promote longevity.
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Re: 500EFI's vs 496 HO
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As far as oil consumption goes, the 502 in all forms from Mercruiser comes with low tension rings. Those low tension rings promote, for lack of a better term, oil consumption. They also promote longevity.
You are so right. I miss the 502 Mag, that was also a very good engine.
The one I had in our 272 burned a quart of oil for every tank of fuel.
I found that it you ran straight 40 weight oil nad never ran above 3000 RPM until the engine really warmed up good that it did not use as much.
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Originally Posted by Dock Holiday
There have been a LOT of people however brain washed by Baja dealers that only order black engines for their inventory and they try to scare the hell out of the buyer in order to sell what they have.
and we both know that is not only about selling what you have, it's about selling what you have (that's black) that was ordered with the intention of "price point marketing"...
I stand corrected in that the 500 has the electronics that "tell the whole tale" of operating parameters.
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Re: 500EFI's vs 496 HO
Well, I have had both.
500efi's in my 33 and now HO's in my 36 . If you can find one with 500's buy it even if it costs a little more. The difference in mid range alone makes it worth it. I love my boat and the HO's work fine but no one can argue that they are better than the blue motors. Forged crank, rods,pistons, etc. Just better internals. I know Raylar can make decent HP with HO's but to really build them you have to change internals. Not with blue motors.
Oh, numbers are right on for a HO 36 Outlaw...68 to 69 mph.
Boat eats up rough water. Looks awesome too. You will be happy either way but if you can find a 500 boat buy it.
Fastboats has a leftover 05' with 500's that I am sure you can buy right.
500efi's in my 33 and now HO's in my 36 . If you can find one with 500's buy it even if it costs a little more. The difference in mid range alone makes it worth it. I love my boat and the HO's work fine but no one can argue that they are better than the blue motors. Forged crank, rods,pistons, etc. Just better internals. I know Raylar can make decent HP with HO's but to really build them you have to change internals. Not with blue motors.
Oh, numbers are right on for a HO 36 Outlaw...68 to 69 mph.
Boat eats up rough water. Looks awesome too. You will be happy either way but if you can find a 500 boat buy it.
Fastboats has a leftover 05' with 500's that I am sure you can buy right.
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I never said HO's were "better"
I am well aware of the parts in them.
496's are proven workhorses that's all, with excellent longevity.
and what is better when 90% of running hours are between 2500 and 4000 RPM...
In looking at used values and what can be bought for what, what's "better" 500's or $20-30,000 in my pocket? That'll buy alot of fuel!
there is also 20-30% to be saved on insurance with black in most hulls, either because of HP rating or top speed depending on the carrier.
I did alot of research!
there is no universal answer of course, I made my choice and am very happy.
I am well aware of the parts in them.
496's are proven workhorses that's all, with excellent longevity.
and what is better when 90% of running hours are between 2500 and 4000 RPM...
In looking at used values and what can be bought for what, what's "better" 500's or $20-30,000 in my pocket? That'll buy alot of fuel!
there is also 20-30% to be saved on insurance with black in most hulls, either because of HP rating or top speed depending on the carrier.
I did alot of research!
there is no universal answer of course, I made my choice and am very happy.