Originally Posted by Ebay Ed

emilsr you are probably the next to get booted since you have posted over here which has happened alot over the past weekend like Hoss said he is the one that made it personnel Ed

Originally Posted by emilsr

I suspect most Baja owners either don't care about these personal feuds or they're smart enough not to get involved. Since I'm not the latter I'll play along...

I don't know Blake personally, never met him, never talked to him on the phone and never even traded emails that I can think of other than to tell him what size and color shirt I wanted at renewal time. Like many people I haven't always agreed with the way he conducted himself or his actions. He isn't the reason I'm active on TBM; the information, camraderie and the general character of most of the members are the reasons I'm there and will continue to be active there unless/until I'm asked to leave or the site goes away. I do believe that some (but not all) deserved their bannings for what they posted. Seriously guys, you can't call someone an ******* without expecting him to get upset about it. For the ones that didn't let themselves get brought down to that level, I don't know why you were banned, wasn't consulted, and really don't care to get involved in personal feuds anyway. I've made that mistake before....won't do it again.

Even though I haven't always agreed with him, he's been right about some things and some people when most of those around him felt he was wrong. He also had the foresight to use the Baja name in his website, and somehow managed to facilitate a fairly strong community of like minded individuals. Probably most (if not all) of us here have met people through TBM that have enriched our lives. That's a good thing in my book. Those things I respect, so if the rules are that it's his sandbox, his rules, I'm okay with that as it's a sandbox I'd like to play in. Again, it's the people there that make me feel this way. It's his call how he conducts himself, not mine, and I don't feel qualified to pass judgement in public anyway....have my own problems to worry about.

What I have difficulty understanding and accepting is why so many feel the need for personal feuding, public bashing, name calling, etc. Who is at fault doesn't so much matter as there's plenty of blame to go around.....both in this case and in some of the other feuds (the Blake/Mark feud comes to mind). At some point in time, sooner rather than later, the right thing to do (IMO of course) is for both of the parties involved to simply let it go and get back to boating. Like Keith, boating is a much needed and appreciated diversion from the day to day grind and I'd prefer it to be a positive experience....both on the water, and on the online forums.

This sort of thing doesn't seem to be limited to boating forums either; my wife is active in several dog forums and she tells me the same things go on there. No matter how the forums are moderated, and no matter whether they're in the US or overseas, people seem to feud.....so we're not alone in this particular problem and I honestly have no idea what the solution is. The rampant bashing and feuding on OSO is the main reason I didn't renew my paid membership here a few years ago. Perhaps it's so rampant simply because it's a large forum....I don't know. I see more of it than I'd like on TBM. I don't see it as much on the regional forums (MWBP being the one I frequent), but I suspect that's because of a combination of things; many of the forum members boat together and wouldn't dream of acting that way towards each other, and the mods don't allow it. I wish that was the case elsewhere, but it isn't.

Originally Posted by Irishtornado

but I recall when the whole Darrell/PBP deal was going on you gave Fleg your username and password then threw him under the bus when it all came crashing down. ..

Originally Posted by emilsr

That's all true and was a mistake I almost immediately regretted. I assumed something I shouldn't have. My intent was not to throw Jeff under the bus, but that wasn't the way it was interpreted by some. If you (or anyone else) want to hold a grudge that's fine, but I manned up to my mistake, apologized, and moved on. That's about all I could do under the circumstances; can't change the past.

I still don't agree with attacking someone in a public manner; not you, Blake, Darryl or anyone, and thought I was pretty clear on that during Darryl's public lynching. To me it's a gang mentality that feeds threads such as this one (and the eleventy zillion post threads that we saw on TBM a couple of years ago) and, like in my lengthy post earlier, I believe it has the potential to damage the whole Baja community. I understand many (most?) don't share that opinion but that's just my own personal set of beliefs. I certainly make mistakes from time to time but I try to learn from them and not make 'em twice....and notice I said TRY.

Originally Posted by ship4brains

Funny how this kind of $hit doesn't happen on Facebook.....