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04-21-2010, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by psychoboater
chris what is it that you do
I own a company that sells and installs industrial lifting equipment- design and mostly sub-contract the manufacture. We do alot of installs in new construction as well as in existing facilities.
I didn't intend my comments to be insulting of you or anyone else- but they're a statement of the reality that I deal with on an ongoing basis. I don't like wastefulness and I see lots of it.
Now the people I'm running across for the most part are in-house union workers- where one person is the only person able to do something, not based on skill or ability, but on job classification. I waited 90 minutes the other day for an electrician to come and flip a switch on a controller that I did 100% of the design work on- because he was the "qualified electrician". That's wrong- and that's not something that's going to move our country forward in a changing global market. as far as the construction site people- It's astonishing to me that these people have the time to do all this standing around and watching. It's especially frustrating when it happens a week after I get cut thin on margins because "we're running tight on this job".
Lastly, my brother-in-law just retired from a GM production facility as a janitor. He made $114K last year. now, that was because he worked an incredible amount of hours- but that's because GM couldn't afford to bring on additional employees- to do so is to obligate themselves to years-long commitments to their job security and most likely a long post=employment provision of sustenance and health care. Again, not a real-world way we'll move forward as an economic power. Unions had their place in bringing the worker into livable working conditions and for that they should be applauded. But at some point, they got carried away. They're paying the price today- and they reacted so late, they may have done nothing more than ensure their own extinction. So how does that help your kids or grandkids if they choose to follow you into your trade? Short-sighted, I'd say.
In closing, I don't operate a union workforce. My guys make 2-3 times industry average. They know coming in that they'll be asked at times to move heaven & earth, day or night, weekends & holidays. They also know heaven & earth will be moved for them if they need it. My products are priced 50 to 100% higher than my competitors- but we're completely booked- simply because we're that good and that reliable. My typical customer isn't willing to take chances.
My guess is if you're as good as you come across, the union isn't why you have job or wage security
Originally Posted by psychoboater
chris what is it that you do
I own a company that sells and installs industrial lifting equipment- design and mostly sub-contract the manufacture. We do alot of installs in new construction as well as in existing facilities.
I didn't intend my comments to be insulting of you or anyone else- but they're a statement of the reality that I deal with on an ongoing basis. I don't like wastefulness and I see lots of it.
Now the people I'm running across for the most part are in-house union workers- where one person is the only person able to do something, not based on skill or ability, but on job classification. I waited 90 minutes the other day for an electrician to come and flip a switch on a controller that I did 100% of the design work on- because he was the "qualified electrician". That's wrong- and that's not something that's going to move our country forward in a changing global market. as far as the construction site people- It's astonishing to me that these people have the time to do all this standing around and watching. It's especially frustrating when it happens a week after I get cut thin on margins because "we're running tight on this job".
Lastly, my brother-in-law just retired from a GM production facility as a janitor. He made $114K last year. now, that was because he worked an incredible amount of hours- but that's because GM couldn't afford to bring on additional employees- to do so is to obligate themselves to years-long commitments to their job security and most likely a long post=employment provision of sustenance and health care. Again, not a real-world way we'll move forward as an economic power. Unions had their place in bringing the worker into livable working conditions and for that they should be applauded. But at some point, they got carried away. They're paying the price today- and they reacted so late, they may have done nothing more than ensure their own extinction. So how does that help your kids or grandkids if they choose to follow you into your trade? Short-sighted, I'd say.
In closing, I don't operate a union workforce. My guys make 2-3 times industry average. They know coming in that they'll be asked at times to move heaven & earth, day or night, weekends & holidays. They also know heaven & earth will be moved for them if they need it. My products are priced 50 to 100% higher than my competitors- but we're completely booked- simply because we're that good and that reliable. My typical customer isn't willing to take chances.
My guess is if you're as good as you come across, the union isn't why you have job or wage security
this has been a very interesting thread so far. I hope that this "mess" is resolved soon though if that is even possible.
04-21-2010, 07:11 AM
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PS, maybe we weren't all wrong huh?
04-21-2010, 07:22 AM
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I have to say I hate all this chit and I was very proud of what we did over there and how it was going. I wish the offer was taken and we could have gone on but all good things must come to pass, as they say.
Time will tell all and heal most but at this point I am outa here.
04-21-2010, 07:34 AM
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I have the same problem, and why is my name still on the Mod list?
I have to say I hate all this chit and I was very proud of what we did over there and how it was going. I wish the offer was taken and we could have gone on but all good things must come to pass, as they say.
Time will tell all and heal most but at this point I am outa here.
I have to say I hate all this chit and I was very proud of what we did over there and how it was going. I wish the offer was taken and we could have gone on but all good things must come to pass, as they say.
Time will tell all and heal most but at this point I am outa here.
04-21-2010, 07:49 AM
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I would like to clarify that Chris has done nothing to me , I simply do not have time and will not be a part of the drama of lately. Boating forums are supposed to be fun and informitive and when the mud slinging starts I am done. This is my last post on the matter.
04-21-2010, 08:05 AM
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04-21-2010, 08:21 AM
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I don't know any of the party's involved but the "sale/offer story" was told to me a few days back and it added an interesting spin to the already drama filled story.
A site like SOS had the makings to be another OSO sold to IB success story where the owners walk out with a pocket full of cash so with big sums of money comes greed/deceit and can cause normally good people to do "out of character" things.
Not picking sides and many interesting points have been brought up. Some things have been over exploited/blown way out of proportion while other issues seemed to be barely touched on (like the sale offer angle).
