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Old 08-22-2012, 01:18 PM
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Crystalclear, You admit on this forum that the boat had been sunk and there was a typo about engine hours but I don't see your ebay ad updated to reflect it. It would be easy to set the record straight on ebay.
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Originally Posted by crystalclear
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i am the proud owner of the controversial cigarette topgun 38 gt for sale on ebay. This boat had a “buy it now price” that went away upon first bid. I believe placing a “reserve” limits the bidder field and limits competition. This boat was introduced to me as an insurance auction. This boat is immaculate but was flooded, as all are aware, forum indicated on post # 77, no secrets here. I then took a ride to see this boat first-hand i was stunned by its beauty, absolutely breathtaking, but was worried about the flood designation. I did a comparitave analysis and determined that this would be a good investment even if engine overhaul was required. The auctioner had no history to offer except that this was an insurance auction and that it was salt water flooded. Auction info stated, “damage: Flood,sw “and frankly the history didn’t matter to me because of the potential and i was quite prepared to fix or replace anything that was wrong with it even if it meant rebuilding the motors which fortunately was unnecessary. After many thousands of dollars every component that could be possibly affected by salt water was replaced, rewound, or rebuilt.
Alternators were rebuilt to maintain the blue anodized housing, new starters were installed, all switches, all breakers, all solenoids, all hydraulic pump motors, all instrument gauges were replaced with chrome bezel carbon fiber faced livorsi cigarette 1 factory upgrades, trim tab cables were replaced, 4 channel sub was replaced and rewired with a 5 channel mb quart amp and remote control clarion head unit and the list goes on with receipts as evidence.
All fluids were removed flushed and replaced with specified grade and the engines were hand cranked and pickled three times for absolute assuredness. Compression tests were even and within spec throughout all 16 cylinders, all sensors and sparkplugs were replaced.
The engines start instantly, run beautifully and sound radical. The write up has a type”o” in that it had 270 hours on it not 170. These hour meters are new and the engines are being scanned as we speak and the printout will reflect actual engine hours then the hour meters will be set to reflect accordingly. Took it for a test spin, nothing crazy, with a chase boat to film as shown in the youtube video. It ran great and i tried not to outrun the camera boat. This is a great boat that will be enjoyed by someone for a reasonable price but this is no giveaway no matter how much slander is asserted.
But what is truly unfortunate to me are the insults, the innuendos and the aspersions participated by some. If anyone doubts the condition as stated should put their money where their mouth is, spend a couple of bucks to visit and bring your mechanic.
It seems like there a conspiratorial attempt to discredit the boat’s condition by someone who either considers himself a good samaritan or a shyster with ulterior motives for the acquisition of this boat.
I was called by a dealer offering me $140k but i told him it is committed to go the ebay course. After all the work that was done i’m sure if purchased there would be nothing to do but flip it for a windfall.
Now i’m not sure of, but will investigate, as to the violations of ebay policies especially the reposting of my boat by the genius who doesn’t own it stating “buyers beware” and offshoreonly policies, along with the pursuit of the legal ramifications of maliciously stifling a private business sale as a detriment to livelihood. I’m also going to investigate who the perpetrators of these acts are to hold them accountable. It will be an easy discovery and i will subpoena ebay and offshore only with notices to produce for defamation without proof!
And to quell the rumor mill i may pay to have this boat surveyed by a reputable company because i’m confident of the outcome and to refute the derogatory statements made. I’m very likely to pull this from auction to have this service performed and depending on the survey may find its worth of higher value.
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i hope that boat breaks on you a whole lot or sinks all together (again) before you sell it!

And I know that every time I see that boat I will think to myself "Now there goes a sucker or a crook"

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App the current seller is not being CRYSTAL CLEAR in his description of the boat..

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Originally Posted by Crystalclear
First time and last time blogger of any forum,
I am the proud owner of the controversial Cigarette Topgun 38 GT for sale on eBay. This boat had a “Buy it now price” that went away upon first bid. I believe placing a “Reserve” limits the bidder field and limits competition. This boat was introduced to me as an Insurance auction. This boat is immaculate but was flooded, as all are aware, forum indicated on post # 77, no secrets here. I then took a ride to see this boat first-hand I was stunned by its beauty, absolutely breathtaking, but was worried about the flood designation. I did a comparitave analysis and determined that this would be a good investment even if engine overhaul was required. The auctioner had no history to offer except that this was an insurance auction and that it was salt water flooded. Auction info stated, “Damage: Flood,SW “and frankly the history didn’t matter to me because of the potential and I was quite prepared to fix or replace anything that was wrong with it even if it meant rebuilding the motors which fortunately was unnecessary. After many thousands of dollars every component that could be possibly affected by salt water was replaced, rewound, or rebuilt.
Alternators were rebuilt to maintain the blue anodized housing, new starters were installed, all switches, all breakers, all solenoids, all hydraulic pump motors, all instrument gauges were replaced with chrome bezel carbon fiber faced Livorsi Cigarette 1 factory upgrades, trim tab cables were replaced, 4 channel sub was replaced and rewired with a 5 channel MB Quart amp and remote control Clarion head unit and the list goes on with receipts as evidence.
All fluids were removed flushed and replaced with specified grade and the engines were hand cranked and pickled three times for absolute assuredness. Compression tests were even and within spec throughout all 16 cylinders, all sensors and sparkplugs were replaced.
The engines start instantly, run beautifully and sound radical. The write up has a type”O” in that it had 270 hours on it not 170. These hour meters are new and the engines are being scanned as we speak and the printout will reflect actual engine hours then the hour meters will be set to reflect accordingly. Took it for a test spin, nothing crazy, with a chase boat to film as shown in the Youtube video. It ran great and I tried not to outrun the camera boat. This is a great boat that will be enjoyed by someone for a reasonable price but this is no giveaway no matter how much slander is asserted.
But what is truly unfortunate to me are the insults, the innuendos and the aspersions participated by some. If anyone doubts the condition as stated should put their money where their mouth is, spend a couple of bucks to visit and bring your mechanic.
It seems like there a conspiratorial attempt to discredit the boat’s condition by someone who either considers himself a good Samaritan or a shyster with ulterior motives for the acquisition of this boat.
I was called by a dealer offering me $140k but I told him it is committed to go the eBay course. After all the work that was done I’m sure if purchased there would be nothing to do but flip it for a windfall.
Now I’m not sure of, but will investigate, as to the violations of ebay policies especially the reposting of my boat by the genius who doesn’t own it stating “Buyers beware” and OffshoreOnly policies, along with the pursuit of the legal ramifications of maliciously stifling a private business sale as a detriment to livelihood. I’m also going to investigate who the perpetrators of these acts are to hold them accountable. It will be an easy discovery and I will subpoena eBay and Offshore Only with Notices to Produce for defamation without proof!
And to quell the rumor mill I may pay to have this boat surveyed by a reputable company because I’m confident of the outcome and to refute the derogatory statements made. I’m very likely to pull this from auction to have this service performed and depending on the survey may find its worth of higher value.
Hasn't changed the ad. Scam artist.... Oh no! someone is "maliciously stifling" your private scam business!

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Have fun with that lawsuit against posters in a public CHAT forum, go ahead and add angieslist.com to you suit as well

Fact of the matter is the courts have been very active in this Internet age against buyers concealing damage, history, or misrepresenting a sale item. These allegations you claim are based on FACTUAL information that you feel you didn't need to disclose, because it is detrimental to your profit margin on flipping said boat. You really think you have a case lol.


Btw, you just pickled merc RACING engines that sat with saltwater inside them for months? How long do you think they will really last? And what other corners did you cut to conceal damage?

Welcome to OSO, a great place for info on how to remove and rebuild your current engines.....but, if you're the pickling kind, you might want to find a new site
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make sure you pull the drain plugs on the extension boxes to get the salt water out of them..
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Originally Posted by Crystalclear
First time and last time blogger of any forum,
I am the proud owner of the controversial Cigarette Topgun 38 GT for sale on eBay. This boat had a “Buy it now price” that went away upon first bid. I believe placing a “Reserve” limits the bidder field and limits competition. This boat was introduced to me as an Insurance auction. This boat is immaculate but was flooded, as all are aware, forum indicated on post # 77, no secrets here. I then took a ride to see this boat first-hand I was stunned by its beauty, absolutely breathtaking, but was worried about the flood designation. I did a comparitave analysis and determined that this would be a good investment even if engine overhaul was required. The auctioner had no history to offer except that this was an insurance auction and that it was salt water flooded. Auction info stated, “Damage: Flood,SW “and frankly the history didn’t matter to me because of the potential and I was quite prepared to fix or replace anything that was wrong with it even if it meant rebuilding the motors which fortunately was unnecessary. After many thousands of dollars every component that could be possibly affected by salt water was replaced, rewound, or rebuilt.
Alternators were rebuilt to maintain the blue anodized housing, new starters were installed, all switches, all breakers, all solenoids, all hydraulic pump motors, all instrument gauges were replaced with chrome bezel carbon fiber faced Livorsi Cigarette 1 factory upgrades, trim tab cables were replaced, 4 channel sub was replaced and rewired with a 5 channel MB Quart amp and remote control Clarion head unit and the list goes on with receipts as evidence.
All fluids were removed flushed and replaced with specified grade and the engines were hand cranked and pickled three times for absolute assuredness. Compression tests were even and within spec throughout all 16 cylinders, all sensors and sparkplugs were replaced.
The engines start instantly, run beautifully and sound radical. The write up has a type”O” in that it had 270 hours on it not 170. These hour meters are new and the engines are being scanned as we speak and the printout will reflect actual engine hours then the hour meters will be set to reflect accordingly. Took it for a test spin, nothing crazy, with a chase boat to film as shown in the Youtube video. It ran great and I tried not to outrun the camera boat. This is a great boat that will be enjoyed by someone for a reasonable price but this is no giveaway no matter how much slander is asserted.
But what is truly unfortunate to me are the insults, the innuendos and the aspersions participated by some. If anyone doubts the condition as stated should put their money where their mouth is, spend a couple of bucks to visit and bring your mechanic.
It seems like there a conspiratorial attempt to discredit the boat’s condition by someone who either considers himself a good Samaritan or a shyster with ulterior motives for the acquisition of this boat.
I was called by a dealer offering me $140k but I told him it is committed to go the eBay course. After all the work that was done I’m sure if purchased there would be nothing to do but flip it for a windfall.
Now I’m not sure of, but will investigate, as to the violations of ebay policies especially the reposting of my boat by the genius who doesn’t own it stating “Buyers beware” and OffshoreOnly policies, along with the pursuit of the legal ramifications of maliciously stifling a private business sale as a detriment to livelihood. I’m also going to investigate who the perpetrators of these acts are to hold them accountable. It will be an easy discovery and I will subpoena eBay and Offshore Only with Notices to Produce for defamation without proof!
And to quell the rumor mill I may pay to have this boat surveyed by a reputable company because I’m confident of the outcome and to refute the derogatory statements made. I’m very likely to pull this from auction to have this service performed and depending on the survey may find its worth of higher value.

Guy walks into a bank with a ski mask, gun, and a "this is a hold up" note, then chastises the teller when she refers to him as a bank robber. Disclose everything in your Ebay ad or STFU!
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Originally Posted by Crystalclear
Ad has been corrected thanks
No it hasn't. You changed the hours and said it was a TYPE O. Doesn't say the boat sunk anywhere. Still says MINT in the description - twice.

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[QUOTE=Crystalclear;3759849]First time and last time blogger of any forum,
I am the proud owner of the controversial Cigarette Topgun 38 GT for sale on eBay. This boat had a “Buy it now price” that went away upon first bid. I believe placing a “Reserve” limits the bidder field and limits competition. This boat was introduced to me as an Insurance auction. This boat is immaculate but was flooded, as all are aware, forum indicated on post # 77, no secrets here. I then took a ride to see this boat first-hand I was stunned by its beauty, absolutely breathtaking, but was worried about the flood designation. I did a comparitave analysis and determined that this would be a good investment even if engine overhaul was required. The auctioner had no history to offer except that this was an insurance auction and that it was salt water flooded. Auction info stated, “Damage: Flood,SW “and frankly the history didn’t matter to me because of the potential and I was quite prepared to fix or replace anything that was wrong with it even if it meant rebuilding the motors which fortunately was unnecessary. After many thousands of dollars every component that could be possibly affected by salt water was replaced, rewound, or rebuilt.
Alternators were rebuilt to maintain the blue anodized housing, new starters were installed, all switches, all breakers, all solenoids, all hydraulic pump motors, all instrument gauges were replaced with chrome bezel carbon fiber faced Livorsi Cigarette 1 factory upgrades, trim tab cables were replaced, 4 channel sub was replaced and rewired with a 5 channel MB Quart amp and remote control Clarion head unit and the list goes on with receipts as evidence.
All fluids were removed flushed and replaced with specified grade and the engines were hand cranked and pickled three times for absolute assuredness. Compression tests were even and within spec throughout all 16 cylinders, all sensors and sparkplugs were replaced.
The engines start instantly, run beautifully and sound radical. The write up has a type”O” in that it had 270 hours on it not 170. These hour meters are new and the engines are being scanned as we speak and the printout will reflect actual engine hours then the hour meters will be set to reflect accordingly. Took it for a test spin, nothing crazy, with a chase boat to film as shown in the Youtube video. It ran great and I tried not to outrun the camera boat. This is a great boat that will be enjoyed by someone for a reasonable price but this is no giveaway no matter how much slander is asserted.
But what is truly unfortunate to me are the insults, the innuendos and the aspersions participated by some. If anyone doubts the condition as stated should put their money where their mouth is, spend a couple of bucks to visit and bring your mechanic.
It seems like there a conspiratorial attempt to discredit the boat’s condition by someone who either considers himself a good Samaritan or a shyster with ulterior motives for the acquisition of this boat.
I was called by a dealer offering me $140k but I told him it is committed to go the eBay course. After all the work that was done I’m sure if purchased there would be nothing to do but flip it for a windfall.
Now I’m not sure of, but will investigate, as to the violations of ebay policies especially the reposting of my boat by the genius who doesn’t own it stating “Buyers beware” and OffshoreOnly policies, along with the pursuit of the legal ramifications of maliciously stifling a private business sale as a detriment to livelihood. I’m also going to investigate who the perpetrators of these acts are to hold them accountable. It will be an easy discovery and I will subpoena eBay and Offshore Only with Notices to Produce for defamation without proof!
And to quell the rumor mill I may pay to have this boat surveyed by a reputable company because I’m confident of the outcome and to refute the derogatory statements made. I’m very likely to pull this from auction to have this service performed and depending on the survey may find its worth of higher value


I've been waiting for this, Classic case of forced exposure !! The question has been asked by several people if the boat had sank, never once did you reply yes/no, simply deleted the question As quick as it was asked! Now your being forced to say something because you have been called out by so many. Regardless of repairs, man hours, or the amount of the money spent to take care of the water intrusion still doesn't take away from a very simple question, did it or did it not!! Then magically you apear and state your case and say first and last post, the reason you do this is because dishonest people have a tough time keeping there stories straight and you know you would walk over yourself!!
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