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Old 07-01-2023, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Paxtonspeed
I had it in my head that as long as the balance job was good the crank should live..
And that is my theory of what happened. That crankshaft is designed to be externally balance on the back and internal on the front depending on the bobweight. This is from the Scat catalog

(**) Will balance at 1800 grams with external weighted flywheel, neutral balancer & one piece of heavy metal in #1 counterweight.

You said that the crank was internally balanced and you had a neutral balance flywheel on it. That is possible but in order to do it there would probably have to be at least three if not more pieces of heavy metal in the back counterweight and I see no evidence of that in your pictures. Plus there are several fairly large holes drilled in the back counterweight which make no sense if it was internal balance. And there should probably be one piece in the front. 1800 grams is a fairly typical small block bobweight so you should be close to their target.

I would think that you would feel some obvious vibration if it was that badly out of balance but in a boat sometimes its very hard to tell. I know of guys who have made the same mistake in car engines and not really had a terrible vibration.

Do you happen to have a copy of the balance card from whoever did the balancing ?

Also, that is right about where I would expect it to break under those conditions.

And just for credibility sake because you don't know me from Adam . . . . I just balanced my 1000th crankshaft earlier this year so I have a little bit of experience balancing.
Also, I am not defending any manufacturer etc etc . . . just want to help you get to the bottom of this unusual failure. And make sure it doesn't happen again

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Old 07-01-2023, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by BillK
And that is my theory of what happened. That crankshaft is designed to be externally balance on the back and internal on the front depending on the bobweight. This is from the Scat catalog

(**) Will balance at 1800 grams with external weighted flywheel, neutral balancer & one piece of heavy metal in #1 counterweight.

You said that the crank was internally balanced and you had a neutral balance flywheel on it. That is possible but in order to do it there would probably have to be at least three if not more pieces of heavy metal in the back counterweight and I see no evidence of that in your pictures. Plus there are several fairly large holes drilled in the back counterweight which make no sense if it was internal balance. And there should probably be one piece in the front. 1800 grams is a fairly typical small block bobweight so you should be close to their target.

I would think that you would feel some obvious vibration if it was that badly out of balance but in a boat sometimes its very hard to tell. I know of guys who have made the same mistake in car engines and not really had a terrible vibration.

Do you happen to have a copy of the balance card from whoever did the balancing ?

Also, that is right about where I would expect it to break under those conditions.

And just for credibility sake because you don't know me from Adam . . . . I just balanced my 1000th crankshaft earlier this year so I have a little bit of experience balancing.
Also, I am not defending any manufacturer etc etc . . . just want to help you get to the bottom of this unusual failure. And make sure it doesn't happen again
OP’s crank would’ve been for internal balance. Neutral front and rear. It wouldn’t have lived a day/hour on the water otherwise and would’ve been so obvious. I just dealt with that on a sbf engine.
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Originally Posted by getrdunn
OP’s crank would’ve been for internal balance. Neutral front and rear. It wouldn’t have lived a day/hour on the water otherwise and would’ve been so obvious. I just dealt with that on a sbf engine.
Not if it is what he said it is. Scat 9000 5.7 rod 1 pc rear main seal cranks are external balance in the back. If it was a 6" rod crank there is enough room to make the counterweights big enough to internal balance but not on the 5.7 rod 9000 cranks. My note in quotes is from the Scat catalog and I have probably balanced 5 of those cranks and they are always external in the back.

I am only going by what Paxton said. Maybe he could post the part number off the front counterweight to be sure. It should be 9-350-3750-5700-L

And I agree that there should have been an obvious vibration but I have had guys put a neutral flywheel on a 383 before and swear there was only a slight vibration.
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Old 07-03-2023, 10:28 AM
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For sure - part number would tell the tale! Please do post
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Old 07-05-2023, 01:34 PM
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9-350-3750-5700
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Old 07-06-2023, 09:39 AM
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So, I checked my flywheel, it does have weight on it.

The engine was internal front / external rear balanced. The assembly was balanced with the stock 350 harmonic dampener and the stock Mercruiser flywheel installed on the crank. I was there when it was done.

The engine was balanced correctly.
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Originally Posted by Paxtonspeed

So, I checked my flywheel, it does have weight on it.

The engine was internal front / external rear balanced. The assembly was balanced with the stock 350 harmonic dampener and the stock Mercruiser flywheel installed on the crank. I was there when it was done.

The engine was balanced correctly.
Sounds that way. Only reason I thought otherwise was you said it was a neutral balance flywheel.

I hope you will reach out to Scat and ask them to take a look at it. It might help others in the future.
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Old 07-06-2023, 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by BillK
Just curious . . . . which crank is it ? They have 2. One for 5.7 rods and one for 6"

The rear main looks like it was getting ready to spin. Wonder if that had anything to do with it ?
Rear main as it looks now could be a result of the crank break?
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Originally Posted by Tartilla
Rear main as it looks now could be a result of the crank break?
No thats the result of the crank breaking
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Old 07-19-2023, 09:19 AM
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Trying again.....bought a forged crank. I test fit it with new standard bearing and it feels great. I don't think there is any damage to the block or rear main.

I had one piston with a busted skirt that smacked the crank when it broke, so I had to buy a whole set. New rings and bearings.

I am collecting parts to get it balanced again.

This crank calls for internal balance front and rear, so I am going to machine the weight off my flywheel.


Beginning to think I should LS swap it.








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