Ratickle

5.4 is the biggie. If they test in a channel, on a busy weekend, there is no way a judge not under the influence can believe a passing boat or two would not change the background level noise.

2112

As it should be.

Up here is about protecting fish and collecting fines.

Ratickle

Todd, have you decided to fight the ticket or just fix the problem and throw yourself at the mercy of the court? I am very surprised there has not been a single response from an attorny. The new proposal's for Michigan will make our noise laws tougher than any other state including Wisconsin. I am still trying to decide how to modify the BT to meet the proposal in case it becomes the law, (which I currently expect). Let us all know, and if there is anything else I can help with, let me know.

baronmarine

ratickle: sheri and i went out to grand haven late saturday afternoon. with ticket in hand and mufflers working. after finding a patrol they told me they could not test it because there has to much wind. so i guess i'll be back on sunday sometime.
todd
btw there was more wind last week when i got the ticket.

Ratickle

Here is the closest official weather records I have been able to locate. Maybe someone else can help. It is at the airport in Muskegon, and if you enter the date of the ticket and compare it to what the officer said yesterday, you may have the info you need to beat this.

http://www.wunderground.com/history/....html#calendar

KAAMA

Ratickle, How do we fight the new noise laws? Who do we contact in our State? The new noise law sounds pretty rediculas---just about everyone is going to be an outlaw if/when it passes!!!

woogie

Wiggling out of your 1st ticket usually is no prob. Its when they pull your jacket the next time ... and you have history. Only way is to get her below 90db. on the stationary which is tough for alot of boats. The guy I got my Shotguns from got popped with them and went to down tubes - this was just on a built up sbc.... most of you guys are running a heck of a lot more than that so if its the 2nd offense that will cause probs.

Seems like GH hands takes first place.. Down here in Holland Lake Mac is just a quick avenue to big water without much else going on..and thats how most Ottawa Co. boys and CG see it. But GH has so much more going on over a much larger area , plus a lot more offshore boats to harvest the $ from. Saugatuck is not too bad as they are smart enough to understand boating commerce. Port Sheldon - 1 in a mil. South Haven - not too bad either. What's St. Joe , White Lake, or Musk. like?

Watch out for Conservation Officers - they have same jurisdiction and have meters. Gave me a $350 one over by Red Dock - camoflaged Jon boat and it was their first time using the meter. Wrote me up as having a Cigarette Boat.. was flattered. Walked out of Allegan Co. Court a free man - no idea how long they keep it on record. What's the new law going to read?

ApacheCarl

This is not good news

Ratickle

It currently looks like we are ok until 2007 at least with the current SAE J2005. Sae J34 is being pushed by the Michigan Lake and Stream Assc along with MSU engineering and grants from the state legislature of about $35,000 per year. I have resurrected the other thread with links to the Boat Noise Gun project. If it works in MI it will be everywhere eventually. No different than the very first state with radar guns. To fight it will take attorney's and keeping an eye on the legislation when it is actually proposed (if it is not tied to some other bill). Bookmark the links in the other post and watch the progress this year. In the Prof's last report he did say it still needs more work. The biggest fear now is it will be proposed along with the EPA report that watercraft noise should be limited to 75 DB max not the current Coast Guard standard of 86 DB.

Ratickle

Here is a link to the Federal EPA report which shows some of their testing, recommendations for watercraft noise, and a map of the state laws as of 2000 (page 18). Many of the state laws have been updated to more restrictive since. One of the interesting items in the Federal report is the "Offshore" boats which are too loud, too big, and too fast for the small lakes they are operating on and their owners refusal to quiet their boats with some of the reasons being used. This is what is going on at the federal level and their work with the states.

Wisconsin law is currently 88 db stationary, 75 db at shoreline, and 86 db passby.


http://www.nmma.org/lib/docs/nmma/g...tatus,_etc..doc