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Old 01-04-2008, 12:26 PM
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780 seems a little soft for that setup. You could easily expect 650 plus with N/A 572's on a single 1050. 5 psi should be netting you better than 110-120 hp.

I'd agree intercoolers would be the way to go. Before I went with a larger Roots, I'd look at Whipples & coolers w/efi. Kind of a budget-buster though. I'd consider something like the J&S ignition that would allow you to safely get more aggressive with ignition advance.
I read into the initial post and assumed a low compression but should have asked. I'm guessing that 'built for 1000 hp' meant the compression was pretty low for boost which is why it nets the low power numbers... Dueclaws, do you know what your compression is?
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Old 01-04-2008, 12:37 PM
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Compression is about 8.5-1, which isn't that low. I agree the numbers are soft and have wondered what we're missing.

Whipples & EFI would be great, but out of range at this time (remodeling house.... again).
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Originally Posted by Dueclaws
Compression is about 8.5-1, which isn't that low. I agree the numbers are soft and have wondered what we're missing.

Whipples & EFI would be great, but out of range at this time (remodeling house.... again).
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That's higher than I thought you were going to say... dang, assumptions are the mother of all f-ups.

I guess the next stupid question is if it's tuned right? I know of a lot of people that are scared and run pretty rich to avoid the big boom.

what kind of exhaust? and is the dyno number an engine or prop shaft dyno?
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Super chillers!
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We're running Stepped/Big Tubes (2 1/4ID) with 5" ID dry tailpipes (see photo), 32* timing, and the plugs never look sooty: just brown.

I spoke with Nickerson and they said my carbs would be OK with 14-71's: not optimal, but also not a huge loss.

Numbers are dyno.
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Assuming no calculation mistake on CR and actual boost PSI numbers, you probably have less cam than you could be using. I'd expect that setup to be at 850 horse.

Cam , chillers & more PSI is about your only option. You should be able to hit your 1K with that.
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What about labbed props and blueprinting the bottom?
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Originally Posted by Dueclaws
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Numbers are dyno.
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Did they dyno in the boat, by hooking up to the prop shaft or did they dyno the engine out of the boat on an engine dyno?

big difference between the two is why I'm asking. It could explain the soft numbers.
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Originally Posted by Dueclaws
My 2-572" shortblocks were built to handle 1,000 HP. We built them using Merlin 345VR heads, 8-71 blowers, no intercoolers, Nickerson 980 carbs, special Crane HR cams. This combo dyno'd at 780 HP @ 5,500 and has been very reliable, but we need more power.
I have $10,000 (total) available for engine upgrades; what would you upgrade and with what parts?
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On first blush I'd say you don't have enough camshaft, cause all the other pieces look right. You should make close to the power you are now stating without the blowers. Cams are cheap compared to anything else you might need to go to another level, but the larger cams might still not get you to 1000 without other upgrades that have been mentioned by others.
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Another thought... If you were to upgrade to 14-71s, you'd likely be able to pick up $6k or more additional cash by selling off the 8-71s and carbs. Might be enough with your $10k to make the big huffers doable (or due-able, hahaha).
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