Whats with all the Bashing???
06-13-2010, 01:34 PM
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As I had said in the other thread, i can empathize with both party's. I also know what it is like to be on both ends of the stick here on the forums. mine and my friends integrity was questioned about a certain individual, by another individual that was guilty of poor business practices. I have also done my best to make members aware of people that deceive and are poor business's.
The forum is a tool, plain and simple, if a person wants to profit from the forum, then he must be ready to deal with an adverse situation. when I did a group buy for oil a few years back, I handled every transaction perfectly, still had two guys try to hose me and cancel the credit card transactions, I showed proof of delivery through records and calls, they saw the error and it was done, but I will never offer that again, period.
As for Scott's situation, I will take his side, from my reading he was in the process of making everything right and a breakdown in communication for a certain time as well as an "excited" customer, came to an early halt.
As for the people that say the customer is always right, I wholeheartedly disagree, they are right only when they are right. As much as businesses are held to a certain ethics code, i believe the consumer has a certain code to live by as well. It is VERY hard for an honest business to deal with dishonest clients.
The forum is a tool, plain and simple, if a person wants to profit from the forum, then he must be ready to deal with an adverse situation. when I did a group buy for oil a few years back, I handled every transaction perfectly, still had two guys try to hose me and cancel the credit card transactions, I showed proof of delivery through records and calls, they saw the error and it was done, but I will never offer that again, period.
As for Scott's situation, I will take his side, from my reading he was in the process of making everything right and a breakdown in communication for a certain time as well as an "excited" customer, came to an early halt.
As for the people that say the customer is always right, I wholeheartedly disagree, they are right only when they are right. As much as businesses are held to a certain ethics code, i believe the consumer has a certain code to live by as well. It is VERY hard for an honest business to deal with dishonest clients.
I agree..very well put...+1
and Allan4 is still a Putz.
06-13-2010, 02:01 PM
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I post on here ocassionally also, but a while back, I contacted Shogren Marine about a boat that I was interested in. I received a reply from Scott...actually several replys...NONE of which that were PUSHY or treating me with the dumb-ass approach. Scott treated me like we had been friends for years and I have never met the man...hopefully that will change someday. I have a friend here that bought a used Sonic from him 2 years ago and my friend had nothing but wonderful things to say about Scott. From my email dealings with Scott and his business...and my friends dealings with them...I dont give a S**T what some PUTZ has to say about them in a negative way...it is NOT going to change my opinion of the Shogren name in any way. The bashing that was in a thread about Shogren...I didnt even bother to read it. That is how UN-INTERESTED in it that I am. From the way that Scott treated me thru the emails...answering endless questions and always being professional about it...it has earned very high respect that has no chance of changing...especially from some crybaby.
06-13-2010, 02:39 PM
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I gotta say as a rank and file non racer member of the lurker community here on OSO . I look to OSO for the great pics , stories, build projects and information about our sport . I think I speak for alot of members when I say enough is enough its like OSO has turned into a bunch of wash women , keyboard critics , and know it alls . If I wanted drama I would watch the Real house wives of NJ or talk to my wife . It gets to the point that I dont even want to post anything . Give the BS a rest
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06-13-2010, 03:01 PM
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You guys are all unbelievable!
Shogren - you wanted to just drop it and even went as far as deleting all of your posts on the last topic and yet here you are still talking about it! If you stop posting then in 2 days when this post falls of of page 2 of "new posts" it will be forgotten!
In regards to the bashing and using the forum as a way to do this....well guess what, welcome to the digital age! The main purpose of this forum is sharing of information, whether certain people feel it's good or bad tough $hit! If your going to be a member of this forum and a dealer in the industry you have to take the good with the bad! I am sure if the post was about a fantastic experience the buyer had had with a dealer then the discussion would go on for pages and pages and the post would probably have never been closed!
Truly drop it and move on!!
Shogren - you wanted to just drop it and even went as far as deleting all of your posts on the last topic and yet here you are still talking about it! If you stop posting then in 2 days when this post falls of of page 2 of "new posts" it will be forgotten!
In regards to the bashing and using the forum as a way to do this....well guess what, welcome to the digital age! The main purpose of this forum is sharing of information, whether certain people feel it's good or bad tough $hit! If your going to be a member of this forum and a dealer in the industry you have to take the good with the bad! I am sure if the post was about a fantastic experience the buyer had had with a dealer then the discussion would go on for pages and pages and the post would probably have never been closed!
Truly drop it and move on!!
06-13-2010, 03:23 PM
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Yes the bashing needs to stop.
For most of us here, boating is an escape from our own lines of work that cause stress and OSO is a land-locked boater's "fantasy league" for all things marine.
As for the digital age, it presents one more "filter" that can mask truth, cause misunderstanding, and seemingly remove any accountability for one's words or actions.
Try to imagine OSO as a big room where we are all face-to-face and in person interacting. Also, the truth about every comment made to each other is announced immediately after it is said if it does not agree with the original statement.
How much bashing do you think would go on in this big room ?
For most of us here, boating is an escape from our own lines of work that cause stress and OSO is a land-locked boater's "fantasy league" for all things marine.
As for the digital age, it presents one more "filter" that can mask truth, cause misunderstanding, and seemingly remove any accountability for one's words or actions.
Try to imagine OSO as a big room where we are all face-to-face and in person interacting. Also, the truth about every comment made to each other is announced immediately after it is said if it does not agree with the original statement.
How much bashing do you think would go on in this big room ?
06-13-2010, 03:34 PM
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I may be the exception here, but I find some of these threads informative. I recently found my race engine siezed after paying a highly respected performance shop to winterize it. I haven't "bashed" them on line-but I wished I had read threads from others before going to this shop. How a shop/builder handles a problem can make all the difference. If a builder/shop handles the problem fairly, this should be posted also.
06-13-2010, 04:13 PM
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"mob mentality" is always a real concern with forums.
I thoughT the shogren topic was a bit sudden and mostly un called for. I think the outerlimits topic is a topic that is discussed all the time with various companies being the topic/ complaint (TS design) and that thread only really had one person saying something that was preceaved negative, and I didn't even read the other thread.
With the whole CS/serious thing I think a lot of people are pissy and edgy.
What'cha gonna do?
I can tell you this; most in the industry lurk on here, even people you wouldn't think...you'd be suprised. And most of them would rather not have direct contact via computer with the mob mentality, "nitwits", know it alls and "keyboard cowboys". Doesn't matter if there's drama or not IMHO.
I thoughT the shogren topic was a bit sudden and mostly un called for. I think the outerlimits topic is a topic that is discussed all the time with various companies being the topic/ complaint (TS design) and that thread only really had one person saying something that was preceaved negative, and I didn't even read the other thread.
With the whole CS/serious thing I think a lot of people are pissy and edgy.
What'cha gonna do?
I can tell you this; most in the industry lurk on here, even people you wouldn't think...you'd be suprised. And most of them would rather not have direct contact via computer with the mob mentality, "nitwits", know it alls and "keyboard cowboys". Doesn't matter if there's drama or not IMHO.
06-13-2010, 06:34 PM
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I've stayed pretty much away from OSO general discussion for several months, and am laughing that this is the first thread I pick out and read. Guess I will go away for another 6 months....
