Warpaint Crash Pics
11-24-2011, 11:53 AM
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11-24-2011, 02:00 PM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e87HIlOIYFA
This link was posted on another thread here, think more than likely this shows how the Warpaint canopy might have failed. I doubt the Warpaint canopy it is designed to flex this much which lead to it's failure when it is impacted as it was in the stuff...this shows that the Warpaint canopy needs to be re-enforced. I don't intend to upset anyone here, and I am happy and relieved that the crew Bob and Danny were not seriously hurt but that might have been all down to luck. We really need to get serious about our safety.
This link was posted on another thread here, think more than likely this shows how the Warpaint canopy might have failed. I doubt the Warpaint canopy it is designed to flex this much which lead to it's failure when it is impacted as it was in the stuff...this shows that the Warpaint canopy needs to be re-enforced. I don't intend to upset anyone here, and I am happy and relieved that the crew Bob and Danny were not seriously hurt but that might have been all down to luck. We really need to get serious about our safety.
11-24-2011, 03:32 PM
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I've been reading this post since the crash.....their are some good points and their are a lot of NO KNOWLEGE opinions.
1. Our canopy is multi-laminated, this design would not work with a roll bar.....the roll bar would make the canopy to rigid (like glass). It was made to flex.
2. The canopy flexed during the high speed impact and then eventually broke....the point is, it did take the initial impact,
THAT IS WHAT SAVED OUR LIVES.
Most people have no idea of the amount of pressure water has during a 115mph stuff
3. Could safety be improved? THERE IS ALWAYS ROOM FOR SAFETY IMPROVEMENT.
4. Will we learn from this accident? We'd be idiots not to build a better mouse trap here.
5. I was in the boat....DANNY and I LIVED, without to much injury......The boat and canopy did their job, for this type of accident.
END OF STORY
MikeyFIN...thanks for the backup
1. Our canopy is multi-laminated, this design would not work with a roll bar.....the roll bar would make the canopy to rigid (like glass). It was made to flex.
2. The canopy flexed during the high speed impact and then eventually broke....the point is, it did take the initial impact,
THAT IS WHAT SAVED OUR LIVES.
Most people have no idea of the amount of pressure water has during a 115mph stuff
3. Could safety be improved? THERE IS ALWAYS ROOM FOR SAFETY IMPROVEMENT.
4. Will we learn from this accident? We'd be idiots not to build a better mouse trap here.
5. I was in the boat....DANNY and I LIVED, without to much injury......The boat and canopy did their job, for this type of accident.
END OF STORY
MikeyFIN...thanks for the backup
With the design of your canopy, would a roll cage which was designed to "limit" the flexability of the canopy be feasable? In otherwords, There would be an airgap, or slamm crush structure, between the canopy, and the cage. After initial deformation of the canopy, the cage would then strategically support the canopy to reduce further deformation.
As you said, there is always room for improvement in safety. Just as these boats are safer than they were ten years ago, they will continue to become safer in the future.
Darrell.
11-24-2011, 10:07 PM
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I've been reading this post since the crash.....their are some good points and their are a lot of NO KNOWLEGE opinions.
1. Our canopy is multi-laminated, this design would not work with a roll bar.....the roll bar would make the canopy to rigid (like glass). It was made to flex.
2. The canopy flexed during the high speed impact and then eventually broke....the point is, it did take the initial impact,
THAT IS WHAT SAVED OUR LIVES.
Most people have no idea of the amount of pressure water has during a 115mph stuff
3. Could safety be improved? THERE IS ALWAYS ROOM FOR SAFETY IMPROVEMENT.
4. Will we learn from this accident? We'd be idiots not to build a better mouse trap here.
5. I was in the boat....DANNY and I LIVED, without to much injury......The boat and canopy did their job, for this type of accident.
END OF STORY
MikeyFIN...thanks for the backup
1. Our canopy is multi-laminated, this design would not work with a roll bar.....the roll bar would make the canopy to rigid (like glass). It was made to flex.
2. The canopy flexed during the high speed impact and then eventually broke....the point is, it did take the initial impact,
THAT IS WHAT SAVED OUR LIVES.
Most people have no idea of the amount of pressure water has during a 115mph stuff
3. Could safety be improved? THERE IS ALWAYS ROOM FOR SAFETY IMPROVEMENT.
4. Will we learn from this accident? We'd be idiots not to build a better mouse trap here.
5. I was in the boat....DANNY and I LIVED, without to much injury......The boat and canopy did their job, for this type of accident.
END OF STORY
MikeyFIN...thanks for the backup
11-25-2011, 10:13 AM
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11-25-2011, 09:57 PM
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Take a good look at Mystics and Doug Wrights Newer boats as well as the Citron. I build the thicker laminated WS for these boats as well as discuss installation methods using extra thick inner flanges with outer retainers to help hold the WS in place instead of blowing out. We also reduced size of exposed WS to help reduce the amount of energy it has to over come when the boat stuffs or rolls. These designs will still fail at some point but will hang in there much better then whats out there. I build and install aerospace windshield for a living and raced for 5 years in the 90s. Two years in a 28 skater and three in Bobs 46 Skaters. By the way. I build thicker laminated windows for Skater on the newer boats but the only one I would be happy with is the way Talking Trash modified theirs by adding the outer retainer and reducing the amount of exposed window area. MTI has done a great job on some of their latest boat as well. I'm no billy Bad azz ruler of the world or anything but just doing some commonsense stuff to make the top of the boat as strong as the bottom in case you crash.
11-25-2011, 11:11 PM
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i was also on the sebago on sunday,i saw him shooting these pictures,i am amazed how anyone could get this quality with 6 foot seas,the seabago was rocking,it was almost imposible to walk on it,nikonmiami,u are my hero.
11-26-2011, 08:30 AM
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Take a good look at Mystics and Doug Wrights Newer boats as well as the Citron. I build the thicker laminated WS for these boats as well as discuss installation methods using extra thick inner flanges with outer retainers to help hold the WS in place instead of blowing out. We also reduced size of exposed WS to help reduce the amount of energy it has to over come when the boat stuffs or rolls. These designs will still fail at some point but will hang in there much better then whats out there. I build and install aerospace windshield for a living and raced for 5 years in the 90s. Two years in a 28 skater and three in Bobs 46 Skaters. By the way. I build thicker laminated windows for Skater on the newer boats but the only one I would be happy with is the way Talking Trash modified theirs by adding the outer retainer and reducing the amount of exposed window area. MTI has done a great job on some of their latest boat as well. I'm no billy Bad azz ruler of the world or anything but just doing some commonsense stuff to make the top of the boat as strong as the bottom in case you crash.
Another consideration is that in the event of a flip, the water displaces everything, so on top of the carnage from the impact you have water displacing all the air and drivers possibly unconscious from the impact and water coming in from all around, you just took a horrible situation and made it worse. Is full time air now going to be mandatory? one of the safety checks for each team should be a working oxygen system, no worky, no racey...
11-26-2011, 10:05 AM
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Way to go Jim, to me thats the common sense way to approach it. I think one of the things that is overlooked by the masses is the sheer force of water and the intrusion factor is so much different that air. a canopy or a windshiled in air does have to remain intact to take a strike, air not being a solid will take the path of least resistance. water as a solid and being pressurized from a flip or a stuff with make its own path, generally at the weakest point, think of a water jet that is used to cut steel.
Another consideration is that in the event of a flip, the water displaces everything, so on top of the carnage from the impact you have water displacing all the air and drivers possibly unconscious from the impact and water coming in from all around, you just took a horrible situation and made it worse. Is full time air now going to be mandatory? one of the safety checks for each team should be a working oxygen system, no worky, no racey...
Another consideration is that in the event of a flip, the water displaces everything, so on top of the carnage from the impact you have water displacing all the air and drivers possibly unconscious from the impact and water coming in from all around, you just took a horrible situation and made it worse. Is full time air now going to be mandatory? one of the safety checks for each team should be a working oxygen system, no worky, no racey...
11-26-2011, 12:52 PM
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Take a good look at Mystics and Doug Wrights Newer boats as well as the Citron. I build the thicker laminated WS for these boats as well as discuss installation methods using extra thick inner flanges with outer retainers to help hold the WS in place instead of blowing out. We also reduced size of exposed WS to help reduce the amount of energy it has to over come when the boat stuffs or rolls. These designs will still fail at some point but will hang in there much better then whats out there.
I guess they are polycarbonate wind screens? How thick are they?
