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In regards to the topic in this thread, what will be looked at are the actions of the girl operating the boat. Was she reasonable in doing so. If she wasn't, then she will be held to a higher degree of accountability. The fact that she has already been charged means that the facts rose to the lever of probable cause. Next will be if they stand on their own merit and satisfy a prima facia case at the preliminary hearing. Ultimately the facts will have to rise to the level of beyond a reasonable doubt for any conviction at criminal court. Unfortunately two people suffered serious injuries to bring this situation to light. Hopefully they can recover fully and everybody involved will use better judgment in the future.
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Securing a suspect/prisoner/detainee to any inanimate object, be it a car, bus, or boat is expressly prohibited in most cases (and is noted as prohibited in every secured transport SOP I've read thus far). Cars (and boats) crash, flip, burn, etc., and it makes extricating someone much more difficult.
A reasonable person should realize that jumping off a moving boat while handcuffed is likely to cause death or serious physical injury. That "reasonable person" standard applies to both detainee and officer, one does not get a "pass" because you're handcuffed/detained/in custody. If the officer was forbidden by policy from securing the detainee to the boat, negligence on the officer's part becomes more difficult to prove.
DeShaney v. Winnebago County (1989) and Hermann v. City of Louisville (6th Cir 2004) should be on lawyers', LEOs', and arbitrators' short list for reading regarding police responsibility with regard to detainees....
A reasonable person should realize that jumping off a moving boat while handcuffed is likely to cause death or serious physical injury. That "reasonable person" standard applies to both detainee and officer, one does not get a "pass" because you're handcuffed/detained/in custody. If the officer was forbidden by policy from securing the detainee to the boat, negligence on the officer's part becomes more difficult to prove.
DeShaney v. Winnebago County (1989) and Hermann v. City of Louisville (6th Cir 2004) should be on lawyers', LEOs', and arbitrators' short list for reading regarding police responsibility with regard to detainees....
I do not handle negligence or wrongful death lawsuits, but any attorney could make a strong argument that this death was preventable...Reasonable Person is the standard for the negligence suit, the life-vest dislodging is the key point in that case, in combination with other factors which the discovery will yield.
My $.02 opinion. I will stick with area of law, my practice that I know, DUI's-BUI, drug possession and distribution, ag.-assault, shop-lifting, gun possession, murder, molestation-rape, all traffic matters, juvenile cases, child pornography, theft, Child Protection & Permanency cases (DYFS), landlord-tenant, small business collections,...
My shameless self promotion...
I will assume you are a police officer or attorney?
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My $.02 opinion. I will stick with area of law, my practice that I know, DUI's-BUI, drug possession and distribution, ag.-assault, shop-lifting, gun possession, murder, molestation-rape, all traffic matters, juvenile cases, child pornography, theft, Child Protection & Permanency cases (DYFS), landlord-tenant, small business collections,...
My shameless self promotion...
I will assume you are a police officer or attorney?
My shameless self promotion...
I will assume you are a police officer or attorney?
As far as you know, I'm an unemployed mid 30's college drop-out living on government assistance in my parents' basement, capiche?!
You also owe me a nickel for quoting your specialties.... There wasn't a circled C, so no infringement!
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Just spoke with a Pennsylvania Fish and Boat Commission Officer whom I was helping instruct an emergency boat operation and rescue course about this incident. He said that the PAF&B policy on transporting prisoners is extremely strict on how its done for this very reason. His personal approach for somebody whom he takes onto his boat that might be getting arrested is to have them put their own life jacket on before they even get onto his boat. If they then get arrested for BUI, he cuff's them in the front. The person is then sat down on a front seat with another officer to make sure they do not get up or jump into the water. As stated by Speedracer29, you will not see anybody secured to a boat or car or anything during transport. Even for land cops, the most you will do is seatbelt somebody in to a back seat or cage area on a transport wagon. Prison transports might be different.
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