Start to Finish: Building Our 50' Skater
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Yes there will be screens and the valve body has a screw on filter on it.
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I'CE (04-12-2024)
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talk about letting the world know what your up too...51 pages (+ going strong) and the hull is still with Peter.... Most impressive..TYFS!!
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We are still doing tuning on it. The power band of the cam and turbo we had was too high in rpm for doing endurance runs, so we are redoing some stuff then go back to the dyno again this week. We want to be in the 1200 HP range at 4000 rpm but right now were at 950 hp that low in the rpm and the peak power is too high in rpm. Were going to try some different injectors and turbos this week. Maybe a cam change.
Our plan is when we get it tuned the way we want were going to do a 10 hour continuous wide open pull to see what happens, if we end up doing it I will put it live on here were everyone can log in and watch to see if it scatters or lives.
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Our plan is when we get it tuned the way we want were going to do a 10 hour continuous wide open pull to see what happens, if we end up doing it I will put it live on here were everyone can log in and watch to see if it scatters or lives.
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Amazing thread and project! When do you anticipate it to be ready for first water test?
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I don't think his engines are Duramax more like Enhanced - Tyson MAX Great build, and thread.
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Here's the Speed On The Water article on the motors - Wagler
http://speedonthewater.com/new-boats...er-at-pri-show
http://speedonthewater.com/new-boats...er-at-pri-show
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On tuning options, you do know that M15 Bosch ECM will correctly manage twin VNT's right?
That's the #1 advantage of that 5k ECM vs a std GM unit. And reason I've been dying to test one out. I posted this twin VNT turbo in a boat question to a couple Dmax forums last year. But keeping them in sync was the main concern, along with lack of any real world data on true twins. Truck pullers only need compounds.
Take a look at the new Audi A8 TDI or VW Touareg v10 TDI twin turbo. The German diesel guru's figured out couple years back that twin VNT would out perform a big single or compounds across the total RPM range. So hasn't Merc you notice.. A pair of big T3 or medium T4 variable nozzle twin scrolls will light quicker, providing low end torque to get your 20k lbs up on top the water without smoking like a cruise ship. Then that ECM opens those puppies up and they will flow more air than any T6. Thus dropping your EGT's into sub 1500F range at WOT.
Study the VW data vs the builds Banks has done running twin non VNT's making 1000hp and let me know what you think. Bosch is fueling every modern diesel built today for good reason.
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950 @ 4000 would be a good realistic goal to survive 10 hour fully loaded. Would be a new world record right there. When ever I've brought up making 1000+ hold at WOT all day, every record holding Dmax engine builder I've spoken to over past 5 years told me I was on drugs..
Take a look at the new Audi A8 TDI or VW Touareg v10 TDI twin turbo. The German diesel guru's figured out couple years back that twin VNT would out perform a big single or compounds across the total RPM range. So hasn't Merc you notice.. A pair of big T3 or medium T4 variable nozzle twin scrolls will light quicker, providing low end torque to get your 20k lbs up on top the water without smoking like a cruise ship. Then that ECM opens those puppies up and they will flow more air than any T6. Thus dropping your EGT's into sub 1500F range at WOT. .
If we do something different it will probably be a compound setup, which has issues also. When we start testing the boat it might jump right on plane with no problems like it is with a single big turbo. But if not we will try compounds, vnt, or just put Nitrous on it.
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I think for improving turbo spooling you need to limit the manifold size, keep heat in, and multiple smaller turbos which have less inertia to overcome helps too.
Something to look into is making manifolds with an airgap passage between the water cooling and the exhaust gas to keep the exhaust gases hotter. The last time we designed a boat diesel from the ground up multiple identical turbos with a gate that opens to the second turbo after the first is spooled was the silver bullet. The boat manufacturers loved but told us to slow down the spool because they didn't want people flying off the back of the flybridges on 70' sporties.![Big Grin](/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
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We didn't do VNT on them
Something to look into is making manifolds with an airgap passage between the water cooling and the exhaust gas to keep the exhaust gases hotter. The last time we designed a boat diesel from the ground up multiple identical turbos with a gate that opens to the second turbo after the first is spooled was the silver bullet. The boat manufacturers loved but told us to slow down the spool because they didn't want people flying off the back of the flybridges on 70' sporties.
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We didn't do VNT on them
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I have done a lot of testing in a boat with twin turbos that have speed sensors on them, they definitely are never in sync. Under a constant load and boat speed they would continuously speed up and down a lot individually. We tried crossover pipes and a lot of other things and they were basically always fighting each other, which over a long period of time makes them less efficient.
I have a question about your testing with "true" twins. How do you go about setting wastegates with them, and what other info would you care to share about twin set-up. I'm just about done building a twin turbo LS motor for a boat and this is one thing I'm having a hard time wrapping my brain around is "how do you keep each turbo equally". Any insight would be great appericated.
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