Notices

First Dyno Complete

Thread Tools
 
Old 01-11-2023, 09:59 AM
  #71  
Registered
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Harrison Twp, MI
Posts: 188
Received 61 Likes on 37 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by PQ290Enticer
I don't have deep pockets and now am wondering if I have built a couple engines that are going to require way more maintenance (constant parts replacement) than I am accustomed to. Thanks again.
The 1st key to building a reliable engine is having a stable and reliable valvetrain. Spend the time(and money) to research/buy high quality valvetrain products and have someone reputable with marine experience set everything up.
c0ncEpT is offline  
The following users liked this post:
TeamSaris (01-11-2023)
Old 01-11-2023, 10:06 AM
  #72  
Driver-441
Racer
 
TeamSaris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Lake George
Posts: 11,889
Received 1,182 Likes on 321 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by c0ncEpT
The 1st key to building a reliable engine is having a stable and reliable valvetrain. Spend the time(and money) to research/buy high quality valvetrain products and have someone reputable with marine experience set everything up.
to quote an article we did for engine builder magazine
..."there are no adequate preassembled heads for the marine environment. You MUST buy a bare casting and do your own setup...."
TeamSaris is offline  
The following 2 users liked this post by TeamSaris:
1983ScarabIII (01-11-2023), ICDEDPPL (01-11-2023)
Old 01-11-2023, 10:38 AM
  #73  
Registered
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Chicago
Posts: 9,068
Received 5,099 Likes on 1,439 Posts
Default

.....

Last edited by ICDEDPPL; 01-11-2023 at 10:49 AM.
ICDEDPPL is offline  
Old 01-11-2023, 11:13 AM
  #74  
Registered
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2022
Location: West Michigan
Posts: 620
Received 181 Likes on 108 Posts
Default

Thanks everyone who asked about piston clearance. I thought I would take a look and now I am pissed at the original builder. He knew these engines were for a boat. He installed KB hypereutectic pistons and the card clearly states for N/A Marine the the piston to wall clearance should be .0035 - .0050 for what looks like a 4.100" bore and up. Mine are .002 - .0025.

Might as well get all of this out there. The ring end gap for the 1st ring on my build sheet is: .021 the 2nd ring: .022 and the oil ring is: .025
So now comes the question, Would you go back to this builder, with the new information, and demand that he make it right on HIS dime? He absolutely didn't follow the recommendations from the piston company. I suppose I would / should pay to the have the valve guides done but this has just turned into a complete redo short of parts of course. The obvious problem is that would he do the job correctly or be pissed and not?
PQ290Enticer is offline  
Old 01-11-2023, 11:26 AM
  #75  
Registered
 
Knot 4 Me's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Central IL
Posts: 8,386
Received 765 Likes on 413 Posts
Default

No, I would find a reputable marine builder to take them down and start over. I also question why, since you went overbore and had to replace the pistons, the decision to go with hypereutectic over forged. I went forged on my otherwise stock 496 MAG after it bent a rod due to hydro-locking a cylinder. Cheap insurance to help out in case you run into detonation for whatever reason.
Knot 4 Me is offline  
Old 01-11-2023, 11:32 AM
  #76  
Registered
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2022
Location: West Michigan
Posts: 620
Received 181 Likes on 108 Posts
Default

So to reach my goal of 500hp using the parts I bought, boring the cylinders was not required and because the bores were in good shape I was able to maintain the standard bore so just a hone. The guy said at my level, forged pistons weren't required. Forged are apparently also heavier(?) and again, just not necessary at my hp level. That was the story.
PQ290Enticer is offline  
Old 01-11-2023, 11:37 AM
  #77  
SB
Registered
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: On A Dirt Floor
Posts: 13,784
Received 3,387 Likes on 1,514 Posts
Default

So, how about them Bears ?
(if your not old, sorry, it’s an old saying)
SB is offline  
The following 2 users liked this post by SB:
Knot 4 Me (01-11-2023), Wildman_grafix (01-11-2023)
Old 01-11-2023, 11:42 AM
  #78  
VIP Member
VIP Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2021
Location: SW Ohio
Posts: 2,396
Received 1,460 Likes on 805 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by PQ290Enticer
So to reach my goal of 500hp using the parts I bought, boring the cylinders was not required and because the bores were in good shape I was able to maintain the standard bore so just a hone. The guy said at my level, forged pistons weren't required. Forged are apparently also heavier(?) and again, just not necessary at my hp level. That was the story.
PQ290,

Just an opinion... There is no such thing as "too strong". I would opt for forged ANYTHING over cast. Just sayin'.....

Thanks. Brad.
(937)545-8991
Brad Christy is online now  
The following users liked this post:
endeavor1 (01-11-2023)
Old 01-11-2023, 11:58 AM
  #79  
Driver-441
Racer
 
TeamSaris's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Lake George
Posts: 11,889
Received 1,182 Likes on 321 Posts
Default

hypereutectic pistons...? All due respect, you need a new engine builder. That's fine in a stock marine small block and a very stock big block. 500hp? Nah. Car stuff man. Boats are in 4th gear going up hill all day. No shifting, no coasting.

Last edited by TeamSaris; 01-11-2023 at 12:08 PM.
TeamSaris is offline  
The following 5 users liked this post by TeamSaris:
1983ScarabIII (01-11-2023), cheech (01-11-2023), dykstra (01-12-2023), fbc25el (01-11-2023), Unlimited jd (01-11-2023)
Old 01-11-2023, 12:02 PM
  #80  
Registered
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2022
Location: West Michigan
Posts: 620
Received 181 Likes on 108 Posts
Default

SB, LOL!!!! I am old and How bout those Lions!!!!
PQ290Enticer is offline  
The following users liked this post:
1983ScarabIII (01-11-2023)


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.