O.T. Leave it to Flori-duh !!
05-28-2003, 09:36 AM
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O.T. Leave it to Flori-duh !!
Muslim Woman Sues to Wear Veil for License
Tue May 27, 8:10 PM ET Add U.S. National - AP to My Yahoo!
By MIKE SCHNEIDER, Associated Press Writer
ORLANDO, Fla. - A Muslim woman suing to keep her veil on for her driver's license photo took the stand Tuesday, saying Florida's insistence on photographing her face violates her religious rights.
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"I don't unveil ... because it would be disobeying my Lord," said Sultaana Freeman, 35.
Both sides planned to call experts in Islamic law at the nonjury trial, which was to continue Wednesday. A copy of the Quran was entered into evidence.
Freeman, a convert to Islam previously known as Sandra Kellar, wore her veil for the photo on the Florida driver's license she obtained after moving to the state in 2001.
Nine months later, she received a letter from the state warning that it would revoke her license unless she returned for a photo with her face uncovered.
Freeman claims her religious beliefs require her to keep her head and face covered out of modesty and that her faith prohibits her face from being photographed.
Her attorneys argued that state officials didn't care that she wore a veil in the photo until after the Sept. 11 attacks, an allegation the state denies.
"This is about religious liberty. It's about whether this country is going to have religious diversity," said Howard Marks, an attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites) of Florida.
Assistant Attorney General Jason Vail argued that having an easily identifiable photo on a driver's license is a matter of public safety.
"It's the primary method of identification in Florida and the nation," Vail said. "I don't think there can be any doubt there is a public safety interest."
Tue May 27, 8:10 PM ET Add U.S. National - AP to My Yahoo!
By MIKE SCHNEIDER, Associated Press Writer
ORLANDO, Fla. - A Muslim woman suing to keep her veil on for her driver's license photo took the stand Tuesday, saying Florida's insistence on photographing her face violates her religious rights.
AP Photo
"I don't unveil ... because it would be disobeying my Lord," said Sultaana Freeman, 35.
Both sides planned to call experts in Islamic law at the nonjury trial, which was to continue Wednesday. A copy of the Quran was entered into evidence.
Freeman, a convert to Islam previously known as Sandra Kellar, wore her veil for the photo on the Florida driver's license she obtained after moving to the state in 2001.
Nine months later, she received a letter from the state warning that it would revoke her license unless she returned for a photo with her face uncovered.
Freeman claims her religious beliefs require her to keep her head and face covered out of modesty and that her faith prohibits her face from being photographed.
Her attorneys argued that state officials didn't care that she wore a veil in the photo until after the Sept. 11 attacks, an allegation the state denies.
"This is about religious liberty. It's about whether this country is going to have religious diversity," said Howard Marks, an attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites) of Florida.
Assistant Attorney General Jason Vail argued that having an easily identifiable photo on a driver's license is a matter of public safety.
"It's the primary method of identification in Florida and the nation," Vail said. "I don't think there can be any doubt there is a public safety interest."
05-28-2003, 09:41 AM
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Driving is a privilage, not a right. Follow the laws ***** or don't drive. 
Sick of this crap.
Fine, don't disobey your lord...but don't expect to disobey our laws either.
Sick of this crap. Fine, don't disobey your lord...but don't expect to disobey our laws either.
05-28-2003, 09:50 AM
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EXACTLY !!
Who the FUK do these people think they are ??
Sooooo many times these a-hole lawyers are too concerned w/ making a name for themselves w/ some high profile Bu!ll**** case, instead of being concerned w/ public safety.
Who the FUK do these people think they are ??
Sooooo many times these a-hole lawyers are too concerned w/ making a name for themselves w/ some high profile Bu!ll**** case, instead of being concerned w/ public safety.
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05-28-2003, 10:15 AM
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Like Michael Savage says in his latest book "The Savage Nation", diversity is peversity! Tell that ***** to move to Iraq if she wants to keep her vail on and have a picture taken!
This stuff makes my blood boil!
This stuff makes my blood boil!
05-28-2003, 10:34 AM
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The law is the law.
She needs to drop the veil and have her picture taken like everyone else.
She's not even an Arab, her real name is Sandra Kellar who converted to Islam. WTF?? She knows the laws a well as we do.
She needs to drop the veil and have her picture taken like everyone else.
She's not even an Arab, her real name is Sandra Kellar who converted to Islam. WTF?? She knows the laws a well as we do.
05-28-2003, 10:48 AM
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BS. Our justice system should have a review panel that looks a "stupid " cases. Those people should then be prosecuted, if for nothing else...being stupid. They are wasting our tax dollars on stupid crap like that. It's just like the people that sue cigarrete companies. People that have placed lawsuits against fast food companies because they are fat because of the food. There has got to be an end to this. There is a common denominator though. These people just do not have "common sense." You don't learn that in a class. You pick it up along the way or it's instilled in you via your upbringing. To me, people without common sense that place law suits like these should be prosecuted themselves. I'm pissed.
05-28-2003, 10:48 AM
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Re: O.T. Leave it to Flori-duh !!
I am not certain but in most of the muslim countries I think women can't even drive. So she should sue also in Iran, Saudi Arabia and so forth. Maybe the ACLU can help her over there!
I have nothing against the laws of Islam she wants to oblidge too, it is her choice. The laws of the state say you need a picture on your driving license then if it's against her belief to oblige to that law she shouldn't drive, case closed.
To quote Dennis Miller;
"The A.C.L.U. should get A. C.L.U. E."
I have nothing against the laws of Islam she wants to oblidge too, it is her choice. The laws of the state say you need a picture on your driving license then if it's against her belief to oblige to that law she shouldn't drive, case closed.
To quote Dennis Miller;
"The A.C.L.U. should get A. C.L.U. E."
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05-28-2003, 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by Baja Daze
Driving is a privilage, not a right. Follow the laws ***** or don't drive. Sick of this crap.
Fine, don't disobey your lord...but don't expect to disobey our laws either.
Driving is a privilage, not a right. Follow the laws ***** or don't drive.
Sick of this crap. Fine, don't disobey your lord...but don't expect to disobey our laws either.
05-28-2003, 01:50 PM
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i'm not sure what the problem is. hell I encourage it. some of those women need more than a veil to cover up their ugly mug shots. 
i'd rather look at her veil than her mustache and side burns.
i'd rather look at her veil than her mustache and side burns.
