5 mph gain after Whipple install, something wrong??
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There comes a point where it takes so much horsepower to turn the little blower you are almost throwing away all of your gains. A 540 should not have a 2.3.
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I found out this is a kit for a 500 hp. I made no pulley changes. At 5700 rpm it is making 5lbs of boost.
If the blower is too small wouldn't it make less boost??
If the blower is too small wouldn't it make less boost??
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The blower is a positive displacement pump, so without changing pulleys it's going to move about the same amount of air as it would on an HP500, but at less boost since you likely have more head and cam. Whatever the 2.3 was supposed to make on an HP500, is about what you should be getting (700 HP?). Any chance you're way too rich?
Why 100 HP only gave you 5 mph I don't know, but the prop numbers don't make sense. How can the same prop and RPM produce an additional 5 mph this year? If the boat is lighter and the hull is cleaner I could believe more speed, but it would be produced by an increase in RPM. This makes me wonder about the measurements. It's hard to do an experiment when you can't believe your instruments.
Looks like a smaller pulley is in your future. MAT or EGTs would be nice too have.
Good luck,
Tom
Why 100 HP only gave you 5 mph I don't know, but the prop numbers don't make sense. How can the same prop and RPM produce an additional 5 mph this year? If the boat is lighter and the hull is cleaner I could believe more speed, but it would be produced by an increase in RPM. This makes me wonder about the measurements. It's hard to do an experiment when you can't believe your instruments.
Looks like a smaller pulley is in your future. MAT or EGTs would be nice too have.
Good luck,
Tom
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Thanks Tom,
Sorry, I posted the wrong rpm for the 28p prop for last yr. Last yr it turned 5400 rpm, after the Whipple it is turning 5700 rpm.
Sorry, I posted the wrong rpm for the 28p prop for last yr. Last yr it turned 5400 rpm, after the Whipple it is turning 5700 rpm.
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Re: 5 mph gain after Whipple install, something wrong??
Originally Posted by Pure Energy
30' Superboat Y2K
Motor-540 Merlin dynoed @ 600 hp @ 5700
Ran 81.5 mph @5400 RPM on GPS with 28p Bravo 1
Installed a 2.3 intercooled Whipple over the winter.
Went for a sea trial today and here's the results
30p Bravo 1........85 mph @ 5200 rpm with 5 lbs of boost
28p Bravo 1........86.3 mph@ 5700 rpm with 6 lbs of boost
I was hoping for more. Does this seem right??
These are GPS speeds. The Gaffrig liquid filled speedo read 90 mph.
Thanks
Motor-540 Merlin dynoed @ 600 hp @ 5700
Ran 81.5 mph @5400 RPM on GPS with 28p Bravo 1
Installed a 2.3 intercooled Whipple over the winter.
Went for a sea trial today and here's the results
30p Bravo 1........85 mph @ 5200 rpm with 5 lbs of boost
28p Bravo 1........86.3 mph@ 5700 rpm with 6 lbs of boost
I was hoping for more. Does this seem right??
These are GPS speeds. The Gaffrig liquid filled speedo read 90 mph.
Thanks
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OK, those RPM make sense. Speed increase is directly proportional to the higher RPM, so nothing has changed with the hull and drive. You just need to find the HP. An oversimplified estimate of the new HP would be:
[600 X pressure ratio (1.34) X density ratio (0.96)] - comp HP (50) = 720
You are moving enough air to gain 120 HP. But your speed increase says you're only getting half of that. Jetting and timing?
[600 X pressure ratio (1.34) X density ratio (0.96)] - comp HP (50) = 720
You are moving enough air to gain 120 HP. But your speed increase says you're only getting half of that. Jetting and timing?
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Re: 5 mph gain after Whipple install, something wrong??
your math isn't bad. rough hp vs drag calculation to go another 5 mph at 81.5 suggests he needs about another 112 hp to do it. you think he is making about another 120 with his blower as is... allowing for losses, seems reasonable to me...
can't forget that mph gain not linear w/ power... drag is the cube of the speed... 5 mph at 81 is a serious hill to climb.
can't forget that mph gain not linear w/ power... drag is the cube of the speed... 5 mph at 81 is a serious hill to climb.
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Re: 5 mph gain after Whipple install, something wrong??
If this is a carbureted (radial) entry 2.3, the max. is about 675 hp. The axial entry (injected) is good to 700hp.
You should be feeding engine oil through the s/c at higher s/c speeds too.
You should be feeding engine oil through the s/c at higher s/c speeds too.