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Old 02-24-2016, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by GPM
I'm starting to think flat tappet, Brad Penn and some ZDDP is the way to go.
The Crower falt tappets with the oiling hole seem to be the only tappets worth anything. I wont run a flat tappet anymore with the all the tappet horror stories I've heard and seen myself.

I've been running these and so far so good after 40 hours last season; http://johncalliesinc.com/product.php?ProductNo=5045
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One other thing about lifters and lifter failures.

Most people upgrade cams etc and just stick the lifters in the engines without checking clearances. That's a huge area of concern that not too many people check or address.
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Originally Posted by wfo1
Yeah, I have ran and installed a several sets of Morels/PBM's that look just like these. Never have used the "howard" flavor though. I don't think there is a difference and I got these for a good price.
Not all howards are/were made by morel. They also had other suppliers.
First ones are definitely morel. Other ones, are not.
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Originally Posted by Panther

I've been running these and so far so good after 40 hours last season; http://johncalliesinc.com/product.php?ProductNo=5045
Those are the 91171 Howards lifters. Same lifter as the 5045 Morel, 72531 Lunati, and RL932 PBM.. The 4603 morel, is the 91162 Howards. AS well as the 72431 Lunati, and RL931 PBM.

I hope you are ok with them, being that Howards sells them with their name on them.
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Originally Posted by Panther
The Crower falt tappets with the oiling hole seem to be the only tappets worth anything. I wont run a flat tappet anymore with the all the tappet horror stories I've heard and seen myself.

I've been running these and so far so good after 40 hours last season; http://johncalliesinc.com/product.php?ProductNo=5045
Just built a 446 for my coronet. We called dave crower and ordered a custom cam and their EDM lifters.
Solid flat tappet.
It has 30wt. Brad penn in it right now for break in. We started it and broke it in on the outer springs.
It's too damn salty on the roads to drive it now, so only 1/2 hour "break in" so far.

I'm still nervous about the cam going flat, but we did everything we could to mitigate it.
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Originally Posted by vintage chromoly
Just built a 446 for my coronet. We called dave crower and ordered a custom cam and their EDM lifters.
Solid flat tappet.
It has 30wt. Brad penn in it right now for break in. We started it and broke it in on the outer springs.
It's too damn salty on the roads to drive it now, so only 1/2 hour "break in" so far.

I'm still nervous about the cam going flat, but we did everything we could to mitigate it.
My buddy is running the crower cam saver lifters in one of his 420 mercs that got rebuilt due to a leaking exhaust. No issues at all . The other engine, has been together for at least 15 years now, with several hundred hard hours on it. No issues there either, and those lifters do no have the oiling upgrades. His engines have 1500 hours, with one rebuild on both at around 800 hours, and the one with the exhaust leak happened around 1350 hours. I think you'll be fine.


How much power you thinking the Mopar 446 is making ?
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Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER
Those are the 91171 Howards lifters. Same lifter as the 5045 Morel, 72531 Lunati, and RL932 PBM.. The 4603 morel, is the 91162 Howards. AS well as the 72431 Lunati, and RL931 PBM.

I hope you are ok with them, being that Howards sells them with their name on them.
If their all the same, who the He11 makes all of them........... Morel ??
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Originally Posted by 33outlawsst
If their all the same, who the He11 makes all of them........... Morel ??
Yes. Morel makes/manufacturers them.
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Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER
My buddy is running the crower cam saver lifters in one of his 420 mercs that got rebuilt due to a leaking exhaust. No issues at all . The other engine, has been together for at least 15 years now, with several hundred hard hours on it. No issues there either, and those lifters do no have the oiling upgrades. His engines have 1500 hours, with one rebuild on both at around 800 hours, and the one with the exhaust leak happened around 1350 hours. I think you'll be fine.



How much power you thinking the Mopar 446 is making ?
Maybe 450 to 475. Expecting a lot of torque.
I wanted to keep it stock appearing. To that end, it has worked iron heads, a 800 cfm carter AVS and iron manifolds. I also used old school ISKY ductile iron rocker arms.
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Originally Posted by ARB38
What are your thoughts on this cam for a 540, 9:1, ported 088 heads, gill wet exhaust, looking for 5800 rpm.
239/246, 646/639, 112 cl, and 7/4 swap? On the desk top dyno it looks pretty good for what I am looking for.
Also curious.
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