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crazyhorse --i'd like to see this list if you still have it

Back4More

I also like the idea of HO454 crate motor by GM.
Recam it with the ZZ502 cam, a set of roller rockers...along with a 800cfm carb and your about done.
Oh yeah and EMI exhaust system too.

http://www.sallee-chevrolet.com/Chev...V8s/ho454.html

blue thunder

I'd like to see your 330 "reciepe" as well Crasyhorse. I've about settled on the competition cam, but haven't bought them yet and would still like more ideas. Also, do you guys thing we could do the pocket/bowl porting of the heads ourselves? Seems straight forward and I have all winter to putz with it.

Hope you don't mind me jumping in here mpejsa. Just working the same project as you.

BT

formula31

If you do decide to buy a crate engine, why not get a 502. You cant beat cubic inches.

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blue thunder - no problem -- the more the merrier

maybe we can get our list together and compare what our outcome is? should be interesting.


I'd like to work with what i have -- but the 502 is a tempting option.


i am still gathering ideas and will post more -- when i know more.

formula31

Heres what I have done numerous times with good results. Doing another one this winter. basically everything Kaama said plus I go a little farther and have everything magnafluxed to check for cracks and I have my stock rods bushed for floating pins. Make sure the crank is straight. Inconnel exhaust valves are good insurance if youve got the cash. I also use crane gold roller rockers, their expensive but I dont believe in cutting any corners on the valve train. 3/8" chrome moly push rods too. I use trw 2399 forged pistons which have a slight dome and give good compression but not so much that if I want to "blow" the motor later, I dont have to change pistons. I use 781 or 049 large oval port heads, they are quite similar and like Kaama said, hardened seats are a must. My cam choice was based on using Gil magnum choice exhaust and to avoid reversion with the early water entry, I chose a 114 degree lobe seperation. I used Edelbrock Torker 2 cam which is a 224, 232 duration with .527, .553 lift which I advance 4 degrees. Check intake valve to piston clearance closely, it will be around .080 with this setup. I also had to use Edelbrocks Torker 2 intake manifold because of deck height clearance issues. Holley 780 and 3" by 10" flame arrestor. In years past I angle milled the heads too but dont anymore. Not saying this is the greatest setup but it works for me and my limitations. The new exhaust will be expensive but really needed for a naturally aspirated engine. You can find used pretty reasonably but make sure they are pressure tested for leaks. Good Luck and keep us posted.

Crazyhorse

Here's the Federal Mogul parts list for SuperV's 454+.030, which dyno'd at Tom Earhart's shop at 505 chp@5500;
L2465F+.030 forged pistons, 9.6:1 c/r
E233K+.030 rings
4400M main brgs
3190CP rod brgs
1404 cam brgs
381-8009 brass core plug set
KT3-171S timing chain set
CS1140R cam, 234intake/[email protected], .553/.578 lift
HT817 lifters
VS1581 valve springs
VSR7015 retainers
VK338R keepers
V-8007R intake valves, 2.19 dia.
V-8006R exhaust valves, 1.90 dia.
Merlin oval-port heads, Performer intakes, Holley carburation
Dyno's engines have H693CP+.030 hypereutectic pistons, 9.5:1. All other components are as listed above, including cams.
Waterfoul's engine has H426CP+ .060 hypereutectics, 8.6:1 and a slightly smaller cam, CS1139R, 224/[email protected], .527/.553 lift, GM rectangular-port heads, GM aluminum intake, Holley carb, all other components are the same.
BGIII's engine also has H426CP hypereutectics, he used an Ultradyne cam(virtually the same #'s as the CS1139R), GM rectangle-port heads, GM aluminum intake, Q-jet carb. All other components as listed.
Any of these guys will be more than happy to talk about their engines, and I"m available if you need any more info.

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thanks crazyhorse

any idea of what the cost is based on your list?


i know i can shop around -- i am just looking for a good guesstimate.

Crazyhorse

BGIII's parts bill was $440. Forged pistons are roughly 200 more. We're in the chatroom right now. Come on in.

FWK

Also remember when you have the trans outthat you should have it gone through if it is a merc2 transmission. Huber or Bam can do that for you. At 450 hp or better you need to take it easy with this transmission. I have the same set up in my 27 excalibur. Good luck , Forrest