Cam upgrade?
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Cam upgrade?
When I took my engines (MCM 575, 540 cui) apart I found out that the factory cams was replaced with hydraulic roller cams. These motors are new to me, was never in my boat so I need some experienced advice how they will work with these cams.
The factory cam are Crane 131311 (replacement) Mechanical Lifter Cams.
New cams are Crane 139651 Hydraulic roller.
Degrees Duration @ .050 Int./Exh. 244 256
Degrees Advertised Duration Int./Exh. 306 318
Degree Lobe Separation 114
Open/Close @.050" Cam Lift Int./Exh. 13 51
67 9
Lash Hot Int./Exh. .000 .000
Gross Lift Int./Exh. .632 .632
I did run them in a desktop dyno, about the same hp but a huge increase in torque.
Will these cams be a problem to me or ????
I have headers with dry exhaust.
Thanks in advance!
/Torbjorn
The factory cam are Crane 131311 (replacement) Mechanical Lifter Cams.
New cams are Crane 139651 Hydraulic roller.
Degrees Duration @ .050 Int./Exh. 244 256
Degrees Advertised Duration Int./Exh. 306 318
Degree Lobe Separation 114
Open/Close @.050" Cam Lift Int./Exh. 13 51
67 9
Lash Hot Int./Exh. .000 .000
Gross Lift Int./Exh. .632 .632
I did run them in a desktop dyno, about the same hp but a huge increase in torque.
Will these cams be a problem to me or ????
I have headers with dry exhaust.
Thanks in advance!
/Torbjorn
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Good cams, hydraulic rollers always make more torque than flat tappets. Be sure you have the right springs, as mcollinstn suggested. We run about 140# on the seat with Comp Cams valve springs. Changing lifters after 300 hours is also a good idea. You should be very happy with this combo!!
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The cam is a good selection for the cubes.
Rollers, as 1500 said, will make more torque and hp degree for degree. The ramp speeds are faster. Also if you compare a roller lobe with a flat lobe you'll see the flat lobe has more of a peak and the roller lobe is more rounded. This translates to the valve being open faster, being held open wider, longer. That's how rollers make more torque and hp than flats.
The "downside" to the fast ramp speeds are stiffer spring pressures. Hence the good advise to check the springs.
With the dry exhaust however, the 114 centerline is of no consequence. If your exhaust is truely dry then you could run what ever lobe separation will give you the best performance from your engine and your hull.
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Rollers, as 1500 said, will make more torque and hp degree for degree. The ramp speeds are faster. Also if you compare a roller lobe with a flat lobe you'll see the flat lobe has more of a peak and the roller lobe is more rounded. This translates to the valve being open faster, being held open wider, longer. That's how rollers make more torque and hp than flats.
The "downside" to the fast ramp speeds are stiffer spring pressures. Hence the good advise to check the springs.
With the dry exhaust however, the 114 centerline is of no consequence. If your exhaust is truely dry then you could run what ever lobe separation will give you the best performance from your engine and your hull.
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Good question carreraboat. Has anyone had any experience with the Comp Magnums or Isky's hyd roller? I had a 100 hours on some Crane's and had a couple rough rollers running on a .632", 264/272 at .050". Appreciate any info!
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Hi, another effect comparing my cams in the desktop is that max hp is at 5500 instead of 6000rpm and thats good!!
I have a pair of stelling dry but they have silencers (air actuated) and when they are closed water will mix at the very end of the tailpipe, could this be a problem at low rpms?
Have the same question as carreraboat, someone who have experience from other brands than Crane (100h above) ?
Have seen a pair of Isky with bad/rough rollers but I do not know the hours on them so...???.
There are some colour markings on the springs, will check it later today.
I will KEEP the cams!!
/Torbjorn
I have a pair of stelling dry but they have silencers (air actuated) and when they are closed water will mix at the very end of the tailpipe, could this be a problem at low rpms?
Have the same question as carreraboat, someone who have experience from other brands than Crane (100h above) ?
Have seen a pair of Isky with bad/rough rollers but I do not know the hours on them so...???.
There are some colour markings on the springs, will check it later today.
I will KEEP the cams!!
/Torbjorn