APBA and Lee Mills.....
09-29-2003, 09:49 PM
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too old,
you are Too Much with the avitar's , LOL if their is one thing that makes me laugh its your great sense of humor. as for this thread i am really surprised no one has posted a pic of a dead horse , it has been beat to death. but i certanly can agree with your post, dont like it dont go. think you can do it better show it. hopefully this will die after this post. you going to OB ???
you are Too Much with the avitar's , LOL if their is one thing that makes me laugh its your great sense of humor. as for this thread i am really surprised no one has posted a pic of a dead horse , it has been beat to death. but i certanly can agree with your post, dont like it dont go. think you can do it better show it. hopefully this will die after this post. you going to OB ???
09-30-2003, 05:30 AM
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Originally posted by sean stinson
Rich,
I know Shane and consider him a friend. I was not taking anysides here in fact was trying to be pro racing. If my post was not taking in that context I will remove it. Actually I was trying to make light of the situation. The fact of the matter is this until we get all the factions to merge together we will have the choices we have now. I just thought BH's slogan was funny and tagged it. I have lots of respect for you and wish you were still the commentator. So why doesn't everyone take the undertone that I put in the original message and try to merge it all together.
Shane sorry I wasn't targeting you in any way at all.
Sean
Rich,
I know Shane and consider him a friend. I was not taking anysides here in fact was trying to be pro racing. If my post was not taking in that context I will remove it. Actually I was trying to make light of the situation. The fact of the matter is this until we get all the factions to merge together we will have the choices we have now. I just thought BH's slogan was funny and tagged it. I have lots of respect for you and wish you were still the commentator. So why doesn't everyone take the undertone that I put in the original message and try to merge it all together.
Shane sorry I wasn't targeting you in any way at all.
Sean
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09-30-2003, 05:32 AM
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Originally posted by ModMachine
in another thread Cashbrain wrote: "Key West is not sanctioned by APBA.Get with the program"
What kind of crap is that? Thats not an opinion.We arent stupid.
SHane wrote: "How come hydros dont have any venue issues that the LLC does?"
When you got BS like this being put on the boards, even if it came from a shadowy 3rd party, its up to the rest of us to set them straight.
SOrry if you guys think you are getting ganged up on - but you just cant expect to get away with that kind of crap. MY 2cents.
in another thread Cashbrain wrote: "Key West is not sanctioned by APBA.Get with the program"
What kind of crap is that? Thats not an opinion.We arent stupid.
SHane wrote: "How come hydros dont have any venue issues that the LLC does?"
When you got BS like this being put on the boards, even if it came from a shadowy 3rd party, its up to the rest of us to set them straight.
SOrry if you guys think you are getting ganged up on - but you just cant expect to get away with that kind of crap. MY 2cents.
09-30-2003, 07:07 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MrOffshore
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Thank you Mr. Offshore. I am glad someone understands me.
Now, do you think maybe you could try and teach my wife?
You hit the nail right on the head here. Thank you again.
[B]
Originally posted by ModMachine
What kind of crap is that? Thats not an opinion.We arent stupid.
SHane wrote: "How come hydros dont have any venue issues that the LLC does?"
I think Shane made that statement after he was being attacked. If you take the time to review any of Shane's posts in the past I think you will see that he is not someone who starts a bunch of trash. He asked a few questions...and later asked them again. I think all the response that was needed is a, "Hey it's none of your business" or "Here are the answers..." or...to simply ignore what you don't intend on answering.
Instead the only people to respond attacked Shane and fueled a fire that has kept this thread at the top of the page for far too long. Maybe it would be best to learn from the person that decided not to respond to the questions in the first place...if everyone would have ignored it the thread would be 10 pages back in this forum and a forgotten memory.
I'm not looking to start any crap with anyone, but I think the attacks on Shane were a little uncalled for...he has the right to ask whatever he likes...if you don't want it popping up all over the forum ignore it and it will disappear more quickly. Some of you are upset with the entire thread but insist on continuing the argument, you're as big a part of the problem as what you think Shane is!
I could care less about the questions Shane asked...but I still respect his right to ask them. In my opinion if Lee Mills had a financial problem with the LLC he should have taken legal action. Holding the Key West race hostage was a crime against the fans, racers and the Key West community. He may have damaged the LLC but he damaged himself more...and in the process hurt a lot of people who did nothing to deserve his bull****.
Just my opinion...and I can assure you all I'm entitled to it!
What kind of crap is that? Thats not an opinion.We arent stupid.
SHane wrote: "How come hydros dont have any venue issues that the LLC does?"
I think Shane made that statement after he was being attacked. If you take the time to review any of Shane's posts in the past I think you will see that he is not someone who starts a bunch of trash. He asked a few questions...and later asked them again. I think all the response that was needed is a, "Hey it's none of your business" or "Here are the answers..." or...to simply ignore what you don't intend on answering.
Instead the only people to respond attacked Shane and fueled a fire that has kept this thread at the top of the page for far too long. Maybe it would be best to learn from the person that decided not to respond to the questions in the first place...if everyone would have ignored it the thread would be 10 pages back in this forum and a forgotten memory.
I'm not looking to start any crap with anyone, but I think the attacks on Shane were a little uncalled for...he has the right to ask whatever he likes...if you don't want it popping up all over the forum ignore it and it will disappear more quickly. Some of you are upset with the entire thread but insist on continuing the argument, you're as big a part of the problem as what you think Shane is!
I could care less about the questions Shane asked...but I still respect his right to ask them. In my opinion if Lee Mills had a financial problem with the LLC he should have taken legal action. Holding the Key West race hostage was a crime against the fans, racers and the Key West community. He may have damaged the LLC but he damaged himself more...and in the process hurt a lot of people who did nothing to deserve his bull****.
Just my opinion...and I can assure you all I'm entitled to it!
Now, do you think maybe you could try and teach my wife? You hit the nail right on the head here. Thank you again.
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09-30-2003, 07:08 AM
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Originally posted by ModMachine
Steve
You mention SBI as the 'dark side' as if it is "We' vs "Them".Not all of us see the 2 in that light.In case you are wondering,I have no "Side" with the two groups so you wont get me stirred bringing that up.Does SBI have some good points?Yes.But this thread has nothing to do with SBI or the rift that exists between them.
COnstructive comments & Constructive questions help make improvements?
Absolutely.
But please keep the bull at home.
Steve
You mention SBI as the 'dark side' as if it is "We' vs "Them".Not all of us see the 2 in that light.In case you are wondering,I have no "Side" with the two groups so you wont get me stirred bringing that up.Does SBI have some good points?Yes.But this thread has nothing to do with SBI or the rift that exists between them.
COnstructive comments & Constructive questions help make improvements?
Absolutely.
But please keep the bull at home.
I respectfully disagree with your interpretation of my thoughts. I stated a fact. We have seen sweeping improvements and changes at SBI this year.
They happened because John Carbonnell and Co. listened. My point of view is that the racers and fans are the customers. Telling them to keep quiet just makes a bad situation worse.
It's possible that I could have used another analogy. But it seemed fitting to use an Offshore sanctioning body. Particularly because I am a member (I also have a current APBA card).
Let me assure you that if I want to "stir things up" I'm more than capable of doing so. But as I reread my post I cannot find the "BULL" or the "WE vs THEM" you suggest. SQ
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09-30-2003, 08:12 AM
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Re: commentary KOOLAID
Originally posted by THEJOKER
I don't see Dick Crippen on here whining - oh he's still calling the races on SPEED! B2h
I don't see Dick Crippen on here whining - oh he's still calling the races on SPEED! B2h
But.....once again....... we turned this personal....didn't we? The sad thing is that I don't give a rat's patootie if I never do another TV show...., and I didn't enjoy it for the final few years...... you ...and your fearless leader....don't seem to get that. I was a racer .....LOOOONG............. before I picked up a microphone....and their were two reasons I did it...one is personal....and the other is that most "color guys" didn't know what they were talking about...... (sound familiar?)
Your group is becoming a parody of propaganda......you aren't even subtle enough.....to do it right.
Now stick to the point.
Shanes's basic questions:
Was Lee a member of the LLC?
And is this another "burnt bridge"?
If yes....simply admit it
and move on.
The point seems to be that the loss of Key West has to be a shared responsibility........
Believe it or not....if you actually could admit a problem and some culpability........ I might even support you in finding a solution...... But if you persist in believing your own B.S...........................
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09-30-2003, 08:20 AM
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Originally posted by ModMachine
..........And you don't have to be a lawyer to talk about the LLC
Hey T2x
When you are throwing dirt your are just losing ground .
..........And you don't have to be a lawyer to talk about the LLC
Hey T2x
When you are throwing dirt your are just losing ground .
I broke two rules
1. I stated a simple opinion that it is okay to talk about anything on this website......regardless of your credentials......
2. I mentioned the LLC.........
Neither of the above qualifies as throwing dirt nor anything remotely resembling it...........
However .......ACCUSING someone of throwing dirt is a neat way of creating an offense.........when none existed.
Have you ever studied Clintonesque politics?.......
Conspiracy.....hidden agendas.......paranoia.....
Please.....once again...... stick to the point so we can end this thread and get on to discussing how wonderful Nascar is.
T2x
09-30-2003, 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by sean stinson
Rich,
I know Shane and consider him a friend. I was not taking anysides here in fact was trying to be pro racing. If my post was not taking in that context I will remove it. Actually I was trying to make light of the situation. The fact of the matter is this until we get all the factions to merge together we will have the choices we have now. I just thought BH's slogan was funny and tagged it. I have lots of respect for you and wish you were still the commentator. So why doesn't everyone take the undertone that I put in the original message and try to merge it all together.
Shane sorry I wasn't targeting you in any way at all.
Sean
Rich,
I know Shane and consider him a friend. I was not taking anysides here in fact was trying to be pro racing. If my post was not taking in that context I will remove it. Actually I was trying to make light of the situation. The fact of the matter is this until we get all the factions to merge together we will have the choices we have now. I just thought BH's slogan was funny and tagged it. I have lots of respect for you and wish you were still the commentator. So why doesn't everyone take the undertone that I put in the original message and try to merge it all together.
Shane sorry I wasn't targeting you in any way at all.
Sean
Point taken...and well said..... I agree the biggest problem the sport has is divisiveness, personal attacks, finger pointing and threats.
The issue is that the group complaining about it the most......seems to be the biggest offender, at least on this thread.
Sean........ it is easy to join the majority....especially if they speak loudest.... but it is harder to maintain integrity.....if you see things a little differently.
T2x
09-30-2003, 08:56 AM
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Originally posted by Too Old
Don't like things the way they are? Change them.
Don't like APBA? Go race SBI.
Don't like SBI either? Don't race.
Think you could operate a better sanctioning body? Feel free to get started.
Don't like things the way they are? Change them.
Don't like APBA? Go race SBI.
Don't like SBI either? Don't race.
Think you could operate a better sanctioning body? Feel free to get started.
Short and accurate, it's still a free market I think.
I hate to quote Dockrocker and Trout but "Don't feed the troll!!!"
Now I'll excersis my free market powers and get a Big Mac!
09-30-2003, 09:42 AM
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Well time after time my point is missed. I haven't always supported everything APBA Offshore has done but the racing aspect is without a doubt better than it was several years ago. Race sites have been changed - so what? Lee Mills ? Have you ever been around Lee Mills for say over an hour at a time? What a joke , he's the type of guy that we hung our jock strap on in high school. I'll say it again APBA Offshore is a bigger family than just Alweiss , it's The Stars Rescue , the officials and racers that make up our group. I look at a race as a big family reunion. Another thing is you probally think I talk to Alweiss regularly - nope. I haven't spoke to him on the phone in over a year. Hell I couldn't even get my girlfriend in the wet pits in Sarasota and my boat was DQ'd in Marathon. No favortism here , we all play by the same rules. Hey and I actually thought you were hilarious calling the races - ahhhhhhhhhh CHRISTINE! B2h
Well time after time my point is missed. I haven't always supported everything APBA Offshore has done but the racing aspect is without a doubt better than it was several years ago. Race sites have been changed - so what? Lee Mills ? Have you ever been around Lee Mills for say over an hour at a time? What a joke , he's the type of guy that we hung our jock strap on in high school. I'll say it again APBA Offshore is a bigger family than just Alweiss , it's The Stars Rescue , the officials and racers that make up our group. I look at a race as a big family reunion. Another thing is you probally think I talk to Alweiss regularly - nope. I haven't spoke to him on the phone in over a year. Hell I couldn't even get my girlfriend in the wet pits in Sarasota and my boat was DQ'd in Marathon. No favortism here , we all play by the same rules. Hey and I actually thought you were hilarious calling the races - ahhhhhhhhhh CHRISTINE! B2h
