To Combined A-class, F-1, and single engine P-4?
12-29-2004, 10:32 PM
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Re: To Combined A-class, F-1, and single engine P-4?
Originally Posted by DPT MOTORSPORTS
I think you could bring back A & B class with the existing boats that are out there. A could be single engine V's and B could be twin engine V's all open cockpit. With all the canopied classes having Mercury or GM motor packages for its Super V classes and Cat Lite classes.
Here is an idea.
SuperCat = Canopied twin Merc 525 or Vortec powered **
SuperCat Outboard = Canopied twin Mercury Outboard, existing Stock class boats
Super V = Canopied twin Merc 525 or Vortec powered V bottoms **
Pro V = Canopied single Merc525 or Vortec powered V bottoms **
V Twin = Open cockpit twin engine V bottom
V Single = Open cockpit single engine V bottom
**= mandatory dry exhaust for these classes!!!!!!!
The V Twin & Single classes can easily compromise 75-80% of the P-class boats that are out there. These classes are motors built or bought from other vendors then the spec class suppliers. The spec class suppliers could still participate in these classes as well as long as there engine meets the spec of these classes. I think this could bring back A & B classes and combine them with F1 & F2 without having two more additional classes.
With the money that most P class racers have spent over the years they could have been racing a Super Series boat. If for some reason a class has no participation or light participation for two years the sanctioning body has the right to drop this class as long as the participants all have been well informed of this upcoming action.
Some may say why I think Supercat today should be dropped is very simple. The guys that spend the $$s in that class can afford to run the 525/vortec and by doing this it makes it more competitive and not a who has the most $$$s to spend scenario.
Just an an idea with a little opinion added and would like to see some constructive criticism on this topic.
Here is an idea.
SuperCat = Canopied twin Merc 525 or Vortec powered **
SuperCat Outboard = Canopied twin Mercury Outboard, existing Stock class boats
Super V = Canopied twin Merc 525 or Vortec powered V bottoms **
Pro V = Canopied single Merc525 or Vortec powered V bottoms **
V Twin = Open cockpit twin engine V bottom
V Single = Open cockpit single engine V bottom
**= mandatory dry exhaust for these classes!!!!!!!
The V Twin & Single classes can easily compromise 75-80% of the P-class boats that are out there. These classes are motors built or bought from other vendors then the spec class suppliers. The spec class suppliers could still participate in these classes as well as long as there engine meets the spec of these classes. I think this could bring back A & B classes and combine them with F1 & F2 without having two more additional classes.
With the money that most P class racers have spent over the years they could have been racing a Super Series boat. If for some reason a class has no participation or light participation for two years the sanctioning body has the right to drop this class as long as the participants all have been well informed of this upcoming action.
Some may say why I think Supercat today should be dropped is very simple. The guys that spend the $$s in that class can afford to run the 525/vortec and by doing this it makes it more competitive and not a who has the most $$$s to spend scenario.
Just an an idea with a little opinion added and would like to see some constructive criticism on this topic.
12-29-2004, 10:54 PM
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Re: To Combined A-class, F-1, and single engine P-4?
So what are your ideas on "spec motors"? I assume you're looking at something like 510ci, X-compression, X-venturi size, what else? What happens to those teams running an EFI package, like F1 & F2?
As a P-class racer, I've never had to deal with spec motors. Is the current A-class spec a good start? Just curious.
Brian
As a P-class racer, I've never had to deal with spec motors. Is the current A-class spec a good start? Just curious.
Brian
12-29-2004, 11:02 PM
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Re: To Combined A-class, F-1, and single engine P-4?
So if I read all of this correctly the only classes being discussed are for OPEN cockpit boats?
If that is the case, I could care less.....
I like the first proposal, get all the single engine boats out there and let them run! Give them a hp to weight rule and go at it! If you are 350 hp you can weight less than 3500 but more than 3250, etc...
Then let them race........
Rick
If that is the case, I could care less.....
I like the first proposal, get all the single engine boats out there and let them run! Give them a hp to weight rule and go at it! If you are 350 hp you can weight less than 3500 but more than 3250, etc...
Then let them race........
Rick
12-29-2004, 11:04 PM
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Re: To Combined A-class, F-1, and single engine P-4?
Originally Posted by p4-33
So what are your ideas on "spec motors"? I assume you're looking at something like 510ci, X-compression, X-venturi size, what else? What happens to those teams running an EFI package, like F1 & F2?
As a P-class racer, I've never had to deal with spec motors. Is the current A-class spec a good start? Just curious.
Brian
As a P-class racer, I've never had to deal with spec motors. Is the current A-class spec a good start? Just curious.
Brian
12-29-2004, 11:10 PM
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JC,
Was the rule 510 or up to 510?
I am curious as a 410 c.i. SBC outfitted as you state in my little toy would be awesome.
Rick
Was the rule 510 or up to 510?
I am curious as a 410 c.i. SBC outfitted as you state in my little toy would be awesome.
Rick
12-29-2004, 11:12 PM
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Why steel heads? Port size can be played with on either type, but aluminum heads are more forgiving with higher burn temps. I use them for reliability sake, as well as the ability to fix them if something goes askew.
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12-29-2004, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ryoung99
JC,
Was the rule 510 or up to 510?
I am curious as a 410 c.i. SBC outfitted as you state in my little toy would be awesome.
Rick
Was the rule 510 or up to 510?
I am curious as a 410 c.i. SBC outfitted as you state in my little toy would be awesome.
Rick
12-29-2004, 11:15 PM
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Re: To Combined A-class, F-1, and single engine P-4?
Originally Posted by p4-33
Why steel heads? Port size can be played with on either type, but aluminum heads are more forgiving with higher burn temps. I use them for reliability sake, as well as the ability to fix them if something hoes askew.
12-29-2004, 11:31 PM
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Re: To Combined A-class, F-1, and single engine P-4?
Rick, I understand where you're coming from... Bat boats need a place to run, and lately the only place the sanctioning bodies have supported them in is P-class. It's unfortunate, because when Chris's fleet was hopping a couple of years ago, the fans LOVED to see 6-8 of them battling it out.
My problem (not with Bats, but with canopies in general) is that once a racer has a lid over his head and is strapped in with air at his side, his ballz grow as big as grapefruits. This is a good thing (for him). It's also a bad thing for those of us with our heads bobbing in the wind trying to keep up.
Last year, there were a couple of SVL boats (ok, one) that ran P4 on Saturday, and SVL on Sunday. If he chose his prop right, there was no comparison how he got through the turns, wide open all the way around. We tend to take a different line when there aren't seatbelts involved.
I hope for you and the rest of the Bat boat fleet that things change for the better for you guys.
Brian
My problem (not with Bats, but with canopies in general) is that once a racer has a lid over his head and is strapped in with air at his side, his ballz grow as big as grapefruits. This is a good thing (for him). It's also a bad thing for those of us with our heads bobbing in the wind trying to keep up.
Last year, there were a couple of SVL boats (ok, one) that ran P4 on Saturday, and SVL on Sunday. If he chose his prop right, there was no comparison how he got through the turns, wide open all the way around. We tend to take a different line when there aren't seatbelts involved.
I hope for you and the rest of the Bat boat fleet that things change for the better for you guys.
Brian
