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First of all, I know I'm going to hear build a boat for a class etc... but I have been working on ways to get the boat count up.
And I think finding a way to run the 100 or so old race boats and making them competitive is a way to start.
So here is an idea....
28 pitch class
With a speed goal of about 85...Which I think is a safe and sane speed for an open boat... And is open to class agreement...I believe we could require everyone to run a stock 28 p of one manufacture...and regulate speed and racing competition with rev limiters...a take off of Sprague's idea.
How it works....
1 with a little tweaking you could run single and twin together
2 there is one class tech who was the last say on what is legal and what rev chip a boat runs.
3 all props are held by class tech.
5250 rpm x 28 p x 1.5 gear x 10% slip is about 84 mph
If any boat is dominating the class rpm is pulled ie. 5100
I used the numbers from most of the factory one boats as a baseline...but any old raceboat could be made to run in this class.
for example...if you have an old A class boat you can build any motor you want so long as you hold the rpm. If it took 540 ci for your boat to turn a 28 p prop so be it.
So at the race site, at the drivers meeting, you are randomly given a prop and your assigned rpm chip.
I know some boats and combinations are going to be better than some others at certain race sites...but the goal over time would be get the class as even as possible and make for some close racing.
Another fine idea you got us in Ollie!!!
Mike Sadlon
And I think finding a way to run the 100 or so old race boats and making them competitive is a way to start.
So here is an idea....
28 pitch class
With a speed goal of about 85...Which I think is a safe and sane speed for an open boat... And is open to class agreement...I believe we could require everyone to run a stock 28 p of one manufacture...and regulate speed and racing competition with rev limiters...a take off of Sprague's idea.
How it works....
1 with a little tweaking you could run single and twin together
2 there is one class tech who was the last say on what is legal and what rev chip a boat runs.
3 all props are held by class tech.
5250 rpm x 28 p x 1.5 gear x 10% slip is about 84 mph
If any boat is dominating the class rpm is pulled ie. 5100
I used the numbers from most of the factory one boats as a baseline...but any old raceboat could be made to run in this class.
for example...if you have an old A class boat you can build any motor you want so long as you hold the rpm. If it took 540 ci for your boat to turn a 28 p prop so be it.
So at the race site, at the drivers meeting, you are randomly given a prop and your assigned rpm chip.
I know some boats and combinations are going to be better than some others at certain race sites...but the goal over time would be get the class as even as possible and make for some close racing.
Another fine idea you got us in Ollie!!!
Mike Sadlon
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How about a triathlon format? We'll race by car from designated liquor store to designated dock, then race by boat to designated island, then we climb aboard golf carts for the final leg....
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Mike,
As you know, I am on the same page. One prop for all or marked props get you to the same place. Marked props are a little more user friendly. What else?
- A reduction in classes. Most/all of the boats could fit in two classes.
- RPM limiters to accomplish the above.
- No break out penalties.
What is the big benefit? EVERY ex-race boat or HP sport boat could come to the races with next to no changes (except for safety requirements) and be in the hunt.
Will this happen? Not likely...
Sprague
As you know, I am on the same page. One prop for all or marked props get you to the same place. Marked props are a little more user friendly. What else?
- A reduction in classes. Most/all of the boats could fit in two classes.
- RPM limiters to accomplish the above.
- No break out penalties.
What is the big benefit? EVERY ex-race boat or HP sport boat could come to the races with next to no changes (except for safety requirements) and be in the hunt.
Will this happen? Not likely...
Sprague
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Sounds simple enough to limit everyone to the same prop and rev limit. This would probably result in a very close race if it were in a straight line on good water.
Mike, let's use the 29' Fountain that you and I raced two seasons ago. Put two identical copies of that boat in your new class with one exception. One of them has a stock 500 EFI engine that will hit the rev limiter (eventually) and the other has a 650 horse 572 inch BBC (torque monster).
Same top speed, but I'll bet on 650 horse every time. The lesser engine boat will get killed through the turns, coming out of the turns, and in rough water.
You'll end up trying to limit engines, heads, etc. until you have yourself talked into something that sounds like the old A & B classes.
Mike, let's use the 29' Fountain that you and I raced two seasons ago. Put two identical copies of that boat in your new class with one exception. One of them has a stock 500 EFI engine that will hit the rev limiter (eventually) and the other has a 650 horse 572 inch BBC (torque monster).
Same top speed, but I'll bet on 650 horse every time. The lesser engine boat will get killed through the turns, coming out of the turns, and in rough water.
You'll end up trying to limit engines, heads, etc. until you have yourself talked into something that sounds like the old A & B classes.
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Step,
Rev limiters are not the same for each boat. The chips are changed based on the boats ability to get around the course. This accounts for differences in acceleration and hull efficiency. You start with an educated guess, and them reduce/increase the RPM for the clear cut over/under performers. It should all work out after two races.
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Rev limiters are not the same for each boat. The chips are changed based on the boats ability to get around the course. This accounts for differences in acceleration and hull efficiency. You start with an educated guess, and them reduce/increase the RPM for the clear cut over/under performers. It should all work out after two races.
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I'm with you now.
I can, however, think of scenarios where an engine could be set up and "tuned" as the season went along. Or, a team could win by a narrow margin each race in order to keep from having their rev limiter changed.
But then again, the guy running second all the time could show up with a hot set-up and get a free pass for at least one race.
Maybe we should just pass out restrictor plates.
I can, however, think of scenarios where an engine could be set up and "tuned" as the season went along. Or, a team could win by a narrow margin each race in order to keep from having their rev limiter changed.
But then again, the guy running second all the time could show up with a hot set-up and get a free pass for at least one race.
Maybe we should just pass out restrictor plates.
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Step,
I believe your scenario is accurate in that 2 boats will be racing in front at max speed to win. Both boats would likely lose RPM for the next race.
I believe your scenario is accurate in that 2 boats will be racing in front at max speed to win. Both boats would likely lose RPM for the next race.
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Exactly....and don't think I'm not all over restrictor plates, it just gets too tricky and could cause engine damage if done wrong
Now get back to work, Dave...Oh what was I thinking
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Now get back to work, Dave...Oh what was I thinking
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