911
09-27-2007, 10:37 PM
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I have a soft spot for the late 80's 911/ 930's. I had a blk/blk 83 911 SC that I cherished but never drove. I keep looking at low mileage stuff but everytime I drive one I can't believe how slow/ unsophisticated they feel. A 89 930 turbo was only 282 HP which was fast for the day but average by sedan standards today (911 Carrera's were only 217 HP which would get you smoked by any four banger rice wagon today)
But here it goes anyway:
87-89 911's had the newer/better G50 transmission - these are the simplest late model 911's. But weak a/c, 217 HP, no ABS
90-94 Carrera 2 (also called the 964)- newer styling, standard ABS, much improved a/c, AWD available in the C4 and 247 HP. Early cars had engine issues (oil related if I recollect).
95- 993 was the last model year before OBD II emissions, the 96-98's had the OBD II. It had some flaws and was tougher to enhance performance which makes the 95's more attractive. 98 was the last year of the air cooled 911's which to a purist is the end of an era.
930 Turbos are cool (US prod. 86-89) with the 89 being the only year of the 5 spd, prior to that is was 4 spd only. The extra maintenance of the 930 isn't worth the headache for 60 HP.
91-92 had the 964 Turbo which was 310 HP I recall. There were some rare 92 Turbo's called S2's that were designed for racing or something and they only made 20.
93 and 95 had no Turbo's
94 had the Turbo 3.6 with 355 HP and cool 18 inch speedline wheels. This is the Bad Boys car(Will Smith/ Martin Lawrence movie). They also made an even rarer slantnose called the Turbo 3.6 S.
I like the 91-92-94 Turbo's the best but they are getting stupid money for the 94's since it was the last of the rear wheel drive Turbo/ all newer cars were AWD except the GT2's.
The maintenance can be brutal on these cars especially considering the age they are getting to.
www.aicauto.com - some cool low mileage stuff
www.sloancars.com - some very rare, low mileage stuff. Some appears to be owned, while others are consignment at jacked up prices over what the owner has them advertised at elsewhere.
www.willhoitenterprises.com - some cool stuff, he has been known to buy on ebay then resell on his site. I have heard good and bad on this one.
www.hatchandsons.com -they have had a decent amount of used 911's and 500E's. They run a good restoration shop according to a close friend of mine but I have never seen their stuff up close.
Good luck. Drive some of these cars before you buy and you might talk yourself right out of the deal. These cars are now getting to be 20 years old and sometimes you can't go back down memory lane.
But here it goes anyway:
87-89 911's had the newer/better G50 transmission - these are the simplest late model 911's. But weak a/c, 217 HP, no ABS
90-94 Carrera 2 (also called the 964)- newer styling, standard ABS, much improved a/c, AWD available in the C4 and 247 HP. Early cars had engine issues (oil related if I recollect).
95- 993 was the last model year before OBD II emissions, the 96-98's had the OBD II. It had some flaws and was tougher to enhance performance which makes the 95's more attractive. 98 was the last year of the air cooled 911's which to a purist is the end of an era.
930 Turbos are cool (US prod. 86-89) with the 89 being the only year of the 5 spd, prior to that is was 4 spd only. The extra maintenance of the 930 isn't worth the headache for 60 HP.
91-92 had the 964 Turbo which was 310 HP I recall. There were some rare 92 Turbo's called S2's that were designed for racing or something and they only made 20.
93 and 95 had no Turbo's
94 had the Turbo 3.6 with 355 HP and cool 18 inch speedline wheels. This is the Bad Boys car(Will Smith/ Martin Lawrence movie). They also made an even rarer slantnose called the Turbo 3.6 S.
I like the 91-92-94 Turbo's the best but they are getting stupid money for the 94's since it was the last of the rear wheel drive Turbo/ all newer cars were AWD except the GT2's.
The maintenance can be brutal on these cars especially considering the age they are getting to.
www.aicauto.com - some cool low mileage stuff
www.sloancars.com - some very rare, low mileage stuff. Some appears to be owned, while others are consignment at jacked up prices over what the owner has them advertised at elsewhere.
www.willhoitenterprises.com - some cool stuff, he has been known to buy on ebay then resell on his site. I have heard good and bad on this one.
www.hatchandsons.com -they have had a decent amount of used 911's and 500E's. They run a good restoration shop according to a close friend of mine but I have never seen their stuff up close.
Good luck. Drive some of these cars before you buy and you might talk yourself right out of the deal. These cars are now getting to be 20 years old and sometimes you can't go back down memory lane.
09-28-2007, 12:24 AM
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If the 930's are maintained correctly they aren't that big of an issue (try a Ferrari LOL). Besides they are upgradable to significant HP even in today's standards and there is absolutely NOTHING like the look of a widebody 930....yes the AC sucks but it has the brakes, suspension and ancillaries to go to 4-500HP and be reasonably reliable.
the 964's had mass flywheel issues the 993 are expensive but if you can find a well sorted C-4 widebody it has the looks and the comforts...IMHO
The slantnoses and factory specials are generally much bigger bucks.
the 964's had mass flywheel issues the 993 are expensive but if you can find a well sorted C-4 widebody it has the looks and the comforts...IMHO
The slantnoses and factory specials are generally much bigger bucks.
09-28-2007, 07:56 AM
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Jupiter Sunsation: That was an awsome post on 911s
I've been thinking about 928s. Loved the car back then, but too young and poor to buy one. Do you have insight on the 928s?
I've been thinking about 928s. Loved the car back then, but too young and poor to buy one. Do you have insight on the 928s?
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the 964's had mass flywheel issues the 993 are expensive but if you can find a well sorted C-4 widebody it has the looks and the comforts...IMHO
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I have an '85 Targa and LOVE it! It's so much more reliable than even my daily driver Lexus, and is a fun car that won't break the bank. Jupiter Sunsation's post is right on - I'd go for the 86-89 Carrera with the G50 tranny. My car has the 915 and it can be baulky. With only 217 hp, don't expect to run with the mustangs and turbo'd ricers - until you get them in the twisties! Have fun, get a pre-purchase inspection!
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