4bus

Chris,

I wouldn't expect you to drive anything but a gm

And they all have recalls, all of them. I am talking about was talking about the little stuff. I owned GM's for 20 years. How many manufactures can you get a window regulator for, in stock, at auto zone? What about the piles of wheel bearings? Brakes that last 30k miles? The ford list is just as long, don;t get me started

My last GM was a 58k denali, it was done at 80k miles, and i am nice to my stuff. The laundry list of faliures just screams sub standard engineering. My f350 $56k truck I also bought new, also made it to 80k, needed a new engine (warranty) and tons of other stuff not warranteid, not to mention the paint falling off.

I love the look of the new chevys , I was just fed up, And now that I own a toyota I get the "buy american" once in a while and it makes me laugh. I can no longer afford to buy from a company that has an american name,but if they come back....i'll be back.

FIXX

you must of had mid to late 90's Gm trucks,,i can honestly say yes but onlt on the front brakes tho,,i got over 400 k on my suburban and believe it or not i still have the oe rear brake shoes,,been through a dozen front rotors and pads(knock on wood) still have the oe front hub bearings..

Now the newer go trucks,01 and up im seeint 80 to 100 k on brake jobs on 2500 and 3500 series trucks,,50k on the 1500 series..the window regulators have gotten better on the 07's and up..nothing lasts forever...

soldier4402

you have to stop drinking the kool aid that toyota keeps feeding you. But if you read what I said I didnt say all profits went back and whether it goes to japans govt or not what does that make any difference. But yota does provide a big impact on our economy and better they build them here and sell them vs just sell them here. But 80% aprox does goes back to Japan in some shape or form, 20% stays here with investments in infastructure and shareholders such as Jp Morgan. The big three though combine to put in more than half a trillion into the economy where yota alone dumps around 20 billion into the economy, so whether GM makes chit cars or not you cant really argue with the economic impact of the big three is much greater.

And Im not saying Mexico and Canada rush over the border to buy from Home depot or Best buy, but the money is much more likely to circulate back here then it would from Japan, and I bet if researched Canada and Mexico buy a lot more American products then Japan does. We live about 20mins from Canada or two hours from the GM Oshawa plant and the bridge into the US is flooded with canadians every weekend to come spend money here.

Really though the trade issue is no longer with Japan and their vehicles are not the threat the true threat is China and we have to be careful. Japan was where China is now 20-30 years ago and Japan has made routes to manufacturing here and controlling trade, give China time and the possibilities are a lot more frightful then what Japan has accomplished.

Like go for broke said the and I would have to agree and almost makes me cringe to say this but most of the brands are on a pretty level playing field and really comes down to preference. Really unless you go super economy imports arent any cheaper and dont perform any better then domestics. For now my paycheck stays here.

Admittedly my 07 silverado was junk thing got 13mpg on a good day, leaked water and the whole dash and door panels rattled. Although I attribute this to a lemon, what irriatated me more than anything was GMs unwillingness to correct it, I asked them to replace it with a like used certified with comp miles, and nope. So that truck got turned in and have been with ford ever since. But my dad has an 08 and the thing gets 17mpg average with no issues.

4bus

Nope, 02 crew 2500hd loaded dmax I bought new, major issues, sold at 135k in 2005

2005 ford f350 Harley 6.0l purchased new, spent more time in the shop than any vehicle I have owned

2007 gmc Denali bought new, more garbage.

I've owned many vehicles along side of these, one thing I started noticing was the difference in quality when compared to my jap an euro vehicles.

Most of you that argue will never own anything but a ford or Chevy, so how can you truly have an unbiased opinion?

soldier4402

Personally I have never owened anything othe then GM, Ford, or Dodge. But I think many others have. And you cant act like yota is void of flaws, my boss has an 09 Tundara and the thing is junk and he cant wait to get rid of it, its in the shop every month and is waiting for the right deal to burn it.

But you are right a lot of people are probably basing their decision off of tradition or principle. Its the same thing with diesel owners refusing to beleive a half ton can tow more than 5k lbs. But like said either regardless of brand, I dont think overall price, quality, and performance is such a difference from brand to brand to say one is hand and foot better.

My last purchase was based 100% on performance, price, and quality. performance meant a lot to me combined with MPG. Last time around even if I would buy one the tundra didnt foot the bill but either did chevy or dodge.

PhantomChaos

Wow that Turdra took that like a girly truck! My biz partner bought a 2012 and kept it for 2 months.

GO4BROKE

Ron,

Your right, I am biased, i have never owned an import (other than bikes). But I drive EVERYTHING in my line of work. Used imports need all the same work as domestics to be reconditioned. I have also never been a communist, socialist, or liberal, but I am pretty sure I wouldn't change my opinion lol.

You tried them, weren't impressed, thats fine. I can't argue with that. One thing that amuses me about the "whos is best" threads, is that there is always someone that owns a fleet and has had the complete opposite experience as the other guy that owns a fleet. It really is personal opinion, and experience.

cya around the lake

4bus

Who knows, maybe this toyo falls apart in my hands and I am driving a Nissan in a few year singing a different tune

My f350 was my first and last ford, but I remember how much I loved that truck in the first two years, crazy being that I was a life long gm guy.

The thing that gets my blood boiling about the tundra is all the bigot jap comments, when in a reality it is not what it seems. Gets me going something fierce, even with family.

So far I am beyond impressed, but my eyes are still drawn to the new Chevy's looks, but looking truck on the market, too bad it has the smallest cab.

Definitely hope to see you out next year, at least my boat has gm power hahah

FIXX

to be honest i have my hands in all of them and the least one i work on is dodge trucks..im digging the 3 cab sizes they offer now and they are really doing a nice job on the interiors now..like i said if bmw made a 1 ton suv i would be all over it..

PhantomChaos

Woooo!